how will the performance of this new sequential turbo 3er match up against the E46 M3? I know it's difficultt to imagine since the car isn't out yet,,, but curious to know what people think. i've thought about dumping the M for this when it comes out.
M3 will still beat it.... IF BMW decides to go against their tradition of only offering Naturally Aspirated engines in the USA. I doubt it will happen.
ya because its like this: e30 m3 had 189 hp, e36 325i had 189 also, but the e30 m3 was faster. the e36 m3 has 240 hp, the e46 330 has 225, close numbers but the e36 m3 still won by alot. even if you supe up a regular 3er, the m3 is still soemthign else, its an M
ya because its like this: e30 m3 had 189 hp, e36 325i had 189 also, but the e30 m3 was faster. the e36 m3 has 240 hp, the e46 330 has 225, close numbers but the e36 m3 still won by alot. even if you supe up a regular 3er, the m3 is still soemthign else, its an M
ya because its like this: e30 m3 had 189 hp, e36 325i had 189 also, but the e30 m3 was faster. the e36 m3 has 240 hp, the e46 330 has 225, close numbers but the e36 m3 still won by alot. even if you supe up a regular 3er, the m3 is still soemthign else, its an M
No thats because with every generation BMW Demphasized sport and Emphasized luxury. Cars got heavier and a lot of luxury options/emnities were offered. Lighten the e46 by 200bls, it will have the same perf as the e36m. Lighten the e36 325, it will have the same performance as the e30 M. (this is also assuming you upgrade the softer-ie luxury oriented- suspension components)
No thats because with every generation BMW Demphasized sport and Emphasized luxury. Cars got heavier and a lot of luxury options/emnities were offered. Lighten the e46 by 200bls, it will have the same perf as the e36m. Lighten the e36 325, it will have the same performance as the e30 M. (this is also assuming you upgrade the softer-ie luxury oriented- suspension components)
M3 will still beat it.... IF BMW decides to go against their tradition of only offering Naturally Aspirated engines in the USA. I doubt it will happen.
It has been confirmed, 100%. The turbo is coming to the US as a 335 or 435 model, or both.
I think this car with some BPU mods like ECU/intake/exhaust should be good for 50-60HP. if it comes stock with the claimed 300HP it's supposed to have, then it could give the E46 M3 a run for it's money. they would both be in the same price range,,, or just about. we'll see.
when you start playing with turbos, all bets are off vs. NA.
It has been confirmed, 100%. The turbo is coming to the US as a 335 or 435 model, or both.
I think this car with some BPU mods like ECU/intake/exhaust should be good for 50-60HP. if it comes stock with the claimed 300HP it's supposed to have, then it could give the E46 M3 a run for it's money. they would both be in the same price range,,, or just about. we'll see.
when you start playing with turbos, all bets are off vs. NA.
I am very interested in some hard evidence that this car is coming out. I have no doubt in your statement, but I would like to see some more info on this car...if this is true, this will be an amazing car.
Even if the E90 turbo has 300hp, it will still be geared for economy. Most people aren't going to chip an E90 turbo, and I would venture to guess that BMW will tune the car pretty well from the factory anyway. I'm happy with my E46 M3, if I was to consider an E90 turbo or E90 M3 I wouldn't do so untill the 3rd model year, so that given me plenty of time to enjoy the M3. There's just something about having an M car. :thumbsup:
Even if the E90 turbo has 300hp, it will still be geared for economy. Most people aren't going to chip an E90 turbo, and I would venture to guess that BMW will tune the car pretty well from the factory anyway. I'm happy with my E46 M3, if I was to consider an E90 turbo or E90 M3 I wouldn't do so untill the 3rd model year, so that given me plenty of time to enjoy the M3. There's just something about having an M car. :thumbsup:
saying that you wont get power out of that because bmw tuned it so well is probably not true. I am guessing that you will be able to get loads of power out of this engine with a simple chip mod. Any car from the factory that comes with a turbo can be pushed to the limit by tuners. For example the 00-02 audi s4 a simple chip gave about 80 hp. BMW would make the numbers look nice but the factory wouldnt push a turbo too hard just for warranty issues, but with a chip you lose the warranty but reach the cars potential.
ya because its like this: e30 m3 had 189 hp, e36 325i had 189 also, but the e30 m3 was faster. the e36 m3 has 240 hp, the e46 330 has 225, close numbers but the e36 m3 still won by alot. even if you supe up a regular 3er, the m3 is still soemthign else, its an M
saying that you wont get power out of that because bmw tuned it so well is probably not true. I am guessing that you will be able to get loads of power out of this engine with a simple chip mod. Any car from the factory that comes with a turbo can be pushed to the limit by tuners. For example the 00-02 audi s4 a simple chip gave about 80 hp. BMW would make the numbers look nice but the factory wouldnt push a turbo too hard just for warranty issues, but with a chip you lose the warranty but reach the cars potential.
That is definately more possible than it is with stock, but the companies who will potentially make the chips wouldn't make them so extreme that you break things, because most of these companies have reputations to uphold. It makes the chance greater, but not too much greater, the internals of a turbo engine from the factory will most likely be very strong to begin with.
That is definately more possible than it is with stock, but the companies who will potentially make the chips wouldn't make them so extreme that you break things, because most of these companies have reputations to uphold. It makes the chance greater, but not too much greater, the internals of a turbo engine from the factory will most likely be very strong to begin with.
Anyway you look at it the increased performance comes at the price of stressing the system more then it was designed for. This is a risk you accept when you decide to modifiy the engine & software.
Well seriously, we dont know **** about this new N54 engine so how can we compare it to anything or say one will be more powerfull/faster than the other?
I just may consider a 335 instead of an E90 M3 considering that 300hp is sufficient for me, not to mention the significant amount of money I would saved instead of picking up the M. Btw, which one will debut first.....
I just may consider a 335 instead of an E90 M3 considering that 300hp is sufficient for me, not to mention the significant amount of money I would saved instead of picking up the M. Btw, which one will debut first.....
That's exactly what I said about the E46 M3 when I picked up my 04 330i, now I'm trying to sell my 330i for a huge depreciation hit to pay for my M3. Before I even consider the 335, I'm going to wait and see what the E92 M3 brings and for how much.
It has been confirmed, 100%. The turbo is coming to the US as a 335 or 435 model, or both.
I think this car with some BPU mods like ECU/intake/exhaust should be good for 50-60HP. if it comes stock with the claimed 300HP it's supposed to have, then it could give the E46 M3 a run for it's money. they would both be in the same price range,,, or just about. we'll see.
when you start playing with turbos, all bets are off vs. NA.
I think you should try some research on sequential twin turbo cars.
We all know that Subaru WRX and STi's can see very large performance gains with modest modifications (Larger IC, Chip, Exhaust etc), HOWEVER some of you may (or may not) know of the sequential twin turbo 'B4' that was released around 2001 (I lived in Australia). It was sold as a luxury touring car, very different from the rally-bread STi. The car turned out to be (IMO)somewhat of a dissapointment, well at least that's what I thought. I've owned a WRX, B4 and both V5 and V7 STi's. The B4 was ok, but there was this annoying 'transition' between the two turbos. The way sequential works is that they have one smaller turbo that spools up quicker to give better performance at low speeds, then a larger turbo that spools up at higher engine speeds. There is a transition between the two that I can only describe as the horrible 4000RPM flat spot that many of us have experienced in 2004+ 330Ci cars. There's a dip in power as the second, larger turbo kicks in.
There was a lot od work around modification of the B4, but the performance gains were nothing like those experienced in a simpler, single turbo car. If you want a twin turbo car that can be modded effectively, go with a TRUE twin turbo like the Supra or Skyline GTR - they REALLY can be modded as both turbos are the same size, and they are both driving simultaneously, unlike a sequential setup.
Given that BMW is pushing more towards luxury and touring than all out sports performance, I'd like to think that the 335 twin turbo car will have similar traits to the B4 - it's simply not meant to be a WRX/STi competitor and is designed with a different market in mind.
If you want a twin turbo car that can be modded effectively, go with a TRUE twin turbo like the Supra or Skyline GTR - they REALLY can be modded as both turbos are the same size, and they are both driving simultaneously, unlike a sequential setup.
the Supra is sequential,,, not twin. the fact that the new engine comes turbo is all that matters. just build a new manifold and slap a GT30R on that shiet. stock for stock the M3 might beat it still, but it won't compare to a modded 335.
the Supra is sequential,,, not twin. the fact that the new engine comes turbo is all that matters. just build a new manifold and slap a GT30R on that shiet. stock for stock the M3 might beat it still, but it won't compare to a modded 335.
I hope BMW comes out with the Turbo... :evil:
We would get much more out of mods than we get with our high compresion engines. :woot:
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