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View Poll Results: Manual 325i or auto ZHP?
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Old Yesterday, 02:23 PM   #221
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Another note - I'm glad they put AWD in the car. It's about time really. I can understand the sentiment - it's a BMW, it should be front engined and RWD, sure. But this new AWD system isn't just a copy of XDrive, it's BMW M's own system, which by the way can send 100% of power to the rear wheels on the driver's command. In addition, the rear locking diff and front diff work together to always make the car feel like a RWD car. This is a good thing! Technology that helps us to not have a 600 HP, RWD car that wants to kill us all the time... instead, we get a car that is perfectly civil on the streets, and when we want it to, then it can kill us. Somebody over at M GmbH finally got their panties out of a wad and decided AWD was the smart decision.
I firmly agree about the AWD. I think we're at the point, overall, where RWD is a cute toy option for a reasonably priced weekend car. It's more Subaru BRZ or Mazda Miata than BMW anything. An M5, in 2018, should come with AWD and a transmission that shifts itself perfectly. Much like the Cadillac Eldorado. (My immediate respect to anyone who understood and laughed at that joke.) Why should the M5 have an automated transmission and AWD? Because the tech exists, and it's expensive enough.

For me, though, none of it matters. I can't even begin to imagine what would drive me to spend that much money on that much car. Not only do I not want to be seen driving a brand new M5, I can't imagine what I would do with it. The 2017 535i I drove was plenty fast, and I probably wouldn't even buy that. So, really, my opinion on all of is coming from that perspective.

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Old Yesterday, 02:33 PM   #222
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I firmly agree about the AWD. I think we're at the point, overall, where RWD is a cute toy option for a reasonably priced weekend car. It's more Subaru BRZ or Mazda Miata than BMW anything. An M5, in 2018, should come with AWD and a transmission that shifts itself perfectly. Much like the Cadillac Eldorado. (My immediate respect to anyone who understood and laughed at that joke.) Why should the M5 have an automated transmission and AWD? Because the tech exists, and it's expensive enough.

For me, though, none of it matters. I can't even begin to imagine what would drive me to spend that much money on that much car. Not only do I not want to be seen driving a brand new M5, I can't imagine what I would do with it. The 2017 535i I drove was plenty fast, and I probably wouldn't even buy that. So, really, my opinion on all of is coming from that perspective.
Well said. One caveat though... backwards day? The new M5 has an AUTOMATIC transmission. Standard good ol professional TORQUE CONVERTED automatic with ///M flair. It achieves full lockup after 3 ft of roll out after launch. So basically no fancy schmancy DCT or SMG etc etc. FULL AUTOMATIC. =)

By AUTOMATED, I was referring to BMW DCT and SMG.

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As someone who owns a manual 325i, I would not want to own any kind of automatic e46. Totally takes away from the reason I specifically went out looking to buy an e46. Like Spanner said, I personally feel it adds a lot of character to the car. The best comparison I can make is when my father went from a manual 2013 Grand Sport to a 2016 Automatic Z06. I got the pleasure of driving both when visiting, and I can definitely say I'd love to own either. The fact of the matter is a 220 HP increase, regardless of it being stick or auto, is not something I would ever be able to pass up. But it definitely lost some of that raw insanity of 6.2L 650 HP supercharged V8, I'm gonna dominate the world goodness, when I wasn't working 3 pedals. That's just my take, automatics now a days are just too good in terms of shift points/times so I totally understand companies with high end cars making a push for it.

I have never driven a ZHP, but I have driven (not owned so my opinion is skewed) a non zhp 330i, and 2 different M3's both with SMG trans. Difference between M3 with SMG and the 325, no contest I'd pick the M3, but that isn't the debate so, irrelevant. As for the Non-ZHP 330, it was pretty well maintained but still had roughly 140k miles on the Trans. It was a bit rough, and while it still felt decent, the thought of potential additional trans issues from it being automatic looming over my head would be enough to not care for the ~50 HP difference of an Auto ZHP. That reason in itself is why I bought manual, and where I totally agree with Mango.

As for the LA traffic ordeal, I'd rather own a bicycle than a car. I was out there for work at one point and had the joy of driving in that hell. I live in and work in center city Philadelphia, so I do not need to drive to work, I can just walk. If I did have to sit through 76 during peaks of rush hour, no way I would own a manual car. I see both sides of that argument, so I can understand why people would chose either. I just personally enjoy the e46 platform with a manual, regardless of the performance debate for it.
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At this time do I agree manuals are a very very small niche market like matte paint and green stitching, Nope.
you're really gonna misquote me me like you did i clearly said NOPE.
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Not in Europe. 80%:
https://www.thezebra.com/insurance-n...-vs-automatic/
Over here in the US it's 4%.
nice article. just shows some perspectives on topic aren't taking in (ROW) rest of the world.
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Well said. One caveat though... backwards day? The new M5 has an AUTOMATIC transmission. Standard good ol professional TORQUE CONVERTED automatic with ///M flair. It achieves full lockup after 3 ft of roll out after launch. So basically no fancy schmancy DCT or SMG etc etc. FULL AUTOMATIC. =)

By AUTOMATED, I was referring to BMW DCT and SMG.
No idea what I was talking about, I guess. I'd assumed these cars have some kind of evolution of the SMG transmission. To be completely honest, outside of the article I read six months to a year ago that stated BMW would finally be adding AWD to the M cars, I got most of my info from glancing at this thread.

I'm not crazy about any of the new BMWs. I like the M4 a bit, but I could sort of take it or leave it. If someone gave me an AWD M4 I would probably keep it. Though I would seriously considering selling it to buy both an E34 and a W123. New cars just aren't doing much for me since, I don't know, around 2005.
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