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The BMW E46 ///M3 is the M version E46 and puts out an amazing 333 HP and 262 lb-ft of torque at stock specs! There are an amazing amount of modifications for both the coupe and convertible models so read up and get started modifying your cars today!

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Old 01-28-2011, 04:13 PM   #21
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Im gonna need a laser jammer for this comin summer..

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Old 01-29-2011, 12:21 AM   #22
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04 ///M3 DINAN S2: software, cold-air induction system, high-flow throttle bodies, cams, 3.91-LSD, & free-flow exhaust. Evosport power pulleys. Equipped w/ DINAN alum pedals & short shifter & DINAN Stage 3 suspension (Koni's) Adjst. + front sway bar & camber plates includ. Exterior: Vorsteiner GTS double sided CF Hood, VF roof-top (w/ sun-roof), VF CSL style bootlid + rear diffuser, ACS Front CF front spoiler lip w/ aluminum billets + CF roof spoiler. Front grill & side gills/matted black. Crystal smoked front DEPO corners + side markers. All lighting (LEDs) interior & exterior/Predator Orion LED Angel-eyes from UMNITZA.. Brakes: Front & rear ZCP (CSL) cross-drilled floating rotors w/ Hawk Hi-Performance brake pads w/ TMS coated SSteel brake lines. Wheels: 19'' HREs 446Rs...F/by 8 1/2's R/by 10's. Ventus EVO-12s- F/by 245/40/19ZR R/by 285/35/19ZR. Pioneer AVIC-N2 w/ MTX amp (200w) + sub-woofer (8500s).

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Old 01-29-2011, 07:34 AM   #23
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So after all this ideas I've decided to go FI not invest in anything else and buy a hpf stage l maybe stage ll, but funds are limited so will see. Hope I can get this done b4 summer time.

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Old 01-29-2011, 10:14 AM   #24
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Old 01-29-2011, 11:28 AM   #25
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Nice list of mods bro

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Thnx!! Appreciate it...!!
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Old 01-29-2011, 03:55 PM   #26
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04 ///M3 DINAN S2: software, cold-air induction system, high-flow throttle bodies, cams, 3.91-LSD, & free-flow exhaust. Evosport power pulleys. Equipped w/ DINAN alum pedals & short shifter & DINAN Stage 3 suspension (Koni's) Adjst. + front sway bar & camber plates includ. Exterior: Vorsteiner GTS double sided CF Hood, VF roof-top (w/ sun-roof), VF CSL style bootlid + rear diffuser, ACS Front CF front spoiler lip w/ aluminum billets + CF roof spoiler. Front grill & side gills/matted black. Crystal smoked front DEPO corners + side markers. All lighting (LEDs) interior & exterior/Predator Orion LED Angel-eyes from UMNITZA.. Brakes: Front & rear ZCP (CSL) cross-drilled floating rotors w/ Hawk Hi-Performance brake pads w/ TMS coated SSteel brake lines. Wheels: 19'' HREs 446Rs...F/by 8 1/2's R/by 10's. Ventus EVO-12s- F/by 245/40/19ZR R/by 285/35/19ZR. Pioneer AVIC-N2 w/ MTX amp (200w) + sub-woofer (8500s).

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Thnx man!! Appreciate it!! Props to you too bro!!
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So after all this ideas I've decided to go FI not invest in anything else and buy a hpf stage l maybe stage ll, but funds are limited so will see. Hope I can get this done b4 summer time.

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Yup..good sh*t bro!.. Good luck with the HPF upgrade (whatever stage it is, still HELLA HOT..stg 1or2). But remember power ain't nothing with no control.. Put some funds up and invest in tweaking up the suspension.....word.
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suspension and brakes first
Yup!! Brakes are important too...real talk
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Old 01-31-2011, 07:46 PM   #32
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my car is lower with h&r suspension but I'm gonna need brembos to calm all those horses down lol...

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Old 01-31-2011, 08:38 PM   #33
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Oh..Lol...hellz yeah if your gonna fvk with HPF...better NUT on them big ass brakes!!
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Old 01-31-2011, 10:18 PM   #34
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it is a common mistake/misconception folks have that a bbk will always stop a car faster and better than stock brakes. most folks here and on other forums get bbk for the primary reason of aesthetics.

a bbk can actually reduce overall braking performance. a good example is running a bbk with a "bad" low dust pad for example. also, it can take longer for a bbk to heat up to optimal temperature. furthermore, some bbk setups increase the total weight of the car for the sake of "bling" as well as the total amount of rotational inertia at each corner.

another good example of form over function with just brembo bbk specifically is comparing 355mm fronts with 380mm fronts on an e46 m3. the 380mm kit actually weighs significantly more than the 355mm kit (iirc, it is >2 lbs on each front corner). the stopping distances of the 380mm kit and the 355mm kit are about the same with some instances where the 380mm fronts are worse. where the 380mm kit is more beneficial (other than they look so much bigger and fill out wheels better) is in long distance track events where brake fade is more of an issue. even so, most track folks will go with 355mm kit over the 380mm kit even if that is a concern/priority b/c the tradeoff for not being able to run smaller diameter wheels is not "worth it". those who are familiar with bbk know that bigger rotors are not necessarily better nor are more and larger pistons. furthermore, there is the change in brake bias with most setups that should be a big concern....

in terms of function, bbk is not intended for decreasing stopping distance initially (i.e. first few stops). it is to reduce or eliminate fade with repeated braking. now, for a car that has a lot more hp than stock, it will obviously get to a certain speed quicker and thus can require much more repeated braking from higher speeds. but a lot of magazines will write something like "this monster needs a bbk so it can stop faster" or whatever. and i think folks catch onto that part without the added and very important comment of "after repeated hard braking from higher speeds".
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Damn dax good information. So for a street car bbk is not worth it, even if I go for big hp....

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Damn dax good information. So for a street car bbk is not worth it, even if I go for big hp....

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my best answer is that it depends.

if you are going to do several, say, 150-0 stops in a row (i do not encourage nor condone this) or a lot of spirited driving that demands repeated hard braking especially over a short period of time, then i say it is worth considering. i know you said for a street car, but you may wanna do track days in the future. then the bbk could be worth it although some seasoned track enthusiasts will insist that stock brakes with good fluid, ss lines, and good pads will be more than sufficient for hpde, etc.

another consideration for a bbk is if you get a larger motor for big hp. this would obviously change the weight distribution of the car. this would call for a change in the brake bias of the car to stop optimally.

in regards to aesthetics, i think most will agree that it makes the car look that much better. whether or not that is worth the cost of the bbk is subjective.

and, stating the obvious, what is worth it to you may seem not so or even ludicrous to others....
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it is a common mistake/misconception folks have that a bbk will always stop a car faster and better than stock brakes. most folks here and on other forums get bbk for the primary reason of aesthetics...
I agree with you that is a common misconception and that most people do use the BBKs more for aesthetic reasons than for better braking performance.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't a lot of the quality BBKs made with monoblock calipers that allows the caliper to be much stiffer giving it more "bite" which would allow the car to stop faster, given that it has enough tire/sticky tires to maintain traction?

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Where are you getting your LSD from? Do you have any links to distributors/manufacturers?

Does anyone have any links to threads or other info on performance gained by these LSDs?

I've searched on this site, but haven't found much.

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I agree with you that is a common misconception and that most people do use the BBKs more for aesthetic reasons than for better braking performance.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't a lot of the quality BBKs made with monoblock calipers that allows the caliper to be much stiffer giving it more "bite" which would allow the car to stop faster, given that it has enough tire/sticky tires to maintain traction?


Where are you getting your LSD from? Do you have any links to distributors/manufacturers?

Does anyone have any links to threads or other info on performance gained by these LSDs?

I've searched on this site, but haven't found much.
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Old 02-03-2011, 08:32 AM   #39
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I agree with you that is a common misconception and that most people do use the BBKs more for aesthetic reasons than for better braking performance.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't a lot of the quality BBKs made with monoblock calipers that allows the caliper to be much stiffer giving it more "bite" which would allow the car to stop faster, given that it has enough tire/sticky tires to maintain traction?
that is why i was keen on saying "always". yes, a lot of quality bbks have monoblock calipers that allow for better bite as well as consistent braking force regardless of conditions. iirc, there were extensive tests done on brembo and/or stoptech bbks (older tests so these were non-monoblock ones) and the average change in stopping distance from various speeds was around +/- 5%. the bbks were using pads comparable to or better than oem. to me, 5% reduction in stopping distance is significant but i think most folks expect and think there will be a lot more. the increase (up to 5%) in stopping distance was when the pads were not warmed up. surprisingly, the oem brakes performed better in terms of stopping distance.

you make a good point about tires. tires are actually the best way to improve overall braking.

i believe another advantage of monoblock calipers is slight weight savings.
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