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#1 ·
When I went to add some oil the other day I noticed what appeared to be a layer of built up oil. I ran my finger inside the valve cover and came back with a small amount of what I would call built up sludge.
I am getting ready to change my oil, so I am wondering if there is a product(not snake oil) that you all use to reduce/eliminate the build up of oil film/sludge just before changing the oil?
 
#4 ·
It was on the internal engine metal I could reach with my finger, not the cap itself. It came off like a paste more than a lite film of oil. I cannot say it looked like mayo, but lets assume for the moment it is. What do you guys use(if anything) to loosen or break it down right before an oil change?

What is there to worry about as you put it if it is more like mayo, and what is typically done to get rid of it?
 
#6 ·
no, its not normal in the sense of what normal is. Its just a sort of common issue, normal would be if there was gunk crap.

If its just that redish/brownish paste, thats "normal". Thats regular deposits that have built up, not an issue at all....unless its some damn thick layers. Get a pic.

If its the yellow gunk crap, its most likely due to condensation; can also be a variety of other issues such as a bad/clogged ccv (crank case vent valve), cold temperatures are the main issue of this yellow gunk, you have nothing to worry abt since you're in FL
 
#5 ·
Sounds like standard gunk. I'd change the oil more often, consider running a cycle of AutoRX, but that's about it. I'd run a synthetic that is a little more detergent heavy. BMW's oil is not... it likes to leave red staining behind, or worse.

If you're really concerned, pop the valve cover off and post pics. Some of us really get off on valvetrain pohrn
 
#11 ·
Last year I ran with 2/3 of a can of SeaFoam (basically a solvent) in the the crankcase for about 2500 miles. It really loaded up the oil filter with flaky crap, and caused the filter pleats to distort, as though they were under a lot of backpressure.

Long story short, it loosened a lot of garbage and sent it to the filter, which is what we want. But I'd probably only run it for maybe a thousand miles at a time. Maybe do that a few cycles with a cheaper dino oil.
 
#16 ·
You might be thinking of the induction cleaning, which is what most use it for. It's a solvent, and the problem is that it works too well. I posted an oil analysis about a year ago that showed how it lowered my oil's flashpoint and viscosity.

Can't say what it does in the fuel, and the induction cleaning might be nothing but a smoke show. But it certainly loosens stuff up when it's in the oil.
 
#33 · (Edited)
Hello Sprintman, everyone,
Class of 2011 reporting in... :)
Bought an 02 330ci zsp 116k miles on it abt 2 months ago.
The it was dealer maintained by a mature previous owner. But he only fixed stuff that broke. (power seat motor, windshield, door seals etc..)
No preventative maintenance done to it.

I can deal with other things that need to be done to it, but it took 1 quart after 700miles!!!
(CCV is clean, no leaks in the valve cover or oil pan. I do get a puff of white smoke on cold start but very little)

Not knowing this as the previous owner neglected to mention it... I've done other obvious stuff such as; 2 front tires, alignment, diff and tranny fluids w/ auto rx.

Now i just started the engine oil. I have castrol gtx 10w-40 dino w/ 2 bottles of auto-rx in the sump.

Sprintman,
can you tell us what the "results" of your treatment/flush cycle did for you?

i will update my findings soon (doing a x country trip tomorrow NJ=>CA)
 
#41 ·
Update
Did the oil filter change yesterday after 1200miles, zero oil consumption(probably bc its thicker dino) and filter was clean. Oil is a dark brown color but not completely black
I still have abt 2k miles left to drive
Btw I'm getting 31 mpg with abt 500lbs of stuff + me in the car avg speed is 66mph
 
#43 ·
Shell Helix Ultra 5W40. Talk to Pennzoil as Platinum 5W40 is probably the same oil. Anything that's totally ester free is a good choice, if PAO free even better. I use 2 3/4 bottles RX per clean and my shop owner says my 325 runs better than any he has seen. Run it 5,000 miles/8,000kms
 
#50 ·
I was once associated with Auto-Rx and since I found out that it does not work as advertised I am recommending Kreen, I have not used the product, but I have not read where any Kreen customers were disatisfied with the product.

Auto-Rx wants everyone to believe that all other Oil Additives like KREEN, MMO, RISLONE, SEAFOAM, and GUNK MOTOR FLUSH are bad for our engines and that they have solvents which can harm our engines. Auto-Rx has never tested any of these other oil additives. Why does auto-rx have before and after pictures of cylinder heads on there site, yet auto-rx says in posts where users were dissatisfied that there product does not clean any junk in the cylinder heads. Alot of auto-rx users said there cylinder heads did not look like the pics from Aaron's test with auto-rx. I actually corresponded with Aaron via e-mail and he told me that when he approached the owner of auto-rx about running some tests that his order was canceled. He had to get someone else to buy auto-rx, the reason is that the owner of auto-rx wants to control any tests on auto-rx because he knows the product does not work as advertised.

I really liked the test that dnewton3 did on auto-rx, he showed where auto-rx raised the compression in a cylinder that was low on his Dad's car, I believe this car was a Ford Escort with 81,000 miles. dnewton3 left out some information about why this cylinder was down on compression. A friend of his Dad's was driving the car one night and a freeze plug popped off near the cylinder that was down on compression, basically the cylinder got hot and the oil probably coked up. Here is something else that is interesting, dnewton3 is a DIEHARD dino Oil Fan, yet he used Pennzoil Platinum for the Clean and Rinse Phases of auto-rx, since Pennzoil Platinum does have some cleaning properties it is possible that auto-rx does not deserve all of the credit. I also have to say that I cannot believe any of the numbers from dnewton3's tests of auto-rx since he was given free product.

I also want everyone to know that auto-rx does have a Money Back Guarantee, well, good luck getting your money back because the owner of auto-rx will claim that you did something wrong, how does he even know what his product can do when he has never had the product tested. There was dissatisfied customer that got his money back, he had to get a LAWYER involved.

When auto-rx was a sponsor on the Internet's Number 1 Oil Website there was a member who started a Thread called QUANTIFYING AUTO-RX, he was going to be running some tests on auto-rx, the owner of auto-rx did not want this members test results put on the board, he was told by the owner of that board to not post any results good or bad. Anyone here can Google the thread I mentioned, again auto-rx did not want the results posted because they knew that this member would not see any results.

There is also an ITEMS FOR SALE SECTION on this board that auto-rx was once a sponsor on, there are 12 different threads where members are selling there auto-rx, they could return there auto-rx, but they would have to pay shipping and they would be hit with a 20% RESTOCKING FEE.

There is a problem with auto-rx in that you have to use dino oil for the Rinse Phase, then they said you could use a Group III Synthetic, but a few years ago you could not use a Group III Synthetic with auto-rx. I have seen many members use various dino oils and when they did not get results the owner of auto-rx would say he used the wrong oil when infact you can use any dino oil with auto-rx. They actually want you to use Wal-Mart SuperTech Dino Oil with auto-rx, becuase it is cheap and probably because you will have more money to buy auto-rx.

sprintman, I can remember when you and your business partner Ron said that you were running tests on hundreds of vehicles, yet you have never posted any results with auto-rx in any of these vehicles.
 
#53 ·
The best cleaner for your engine is oil...fresh oil. You shouldn't need anything else.

Also, I'll just say that of all our 200K members here, there are very few I listen to about oil, and Sprintman is one of them. I can't think of one time he's said anything not based on solid information. Because of him, I know many are using a proper oil, and by using such an oil, have no need for adding anything else to the engine.

If there was something that would be good to add periodically, I'd trust BMW would tell us...or would sell us. They sell Techron as a fuel additive. If I'm mistaken and they sell an oil additive, I'd be interested to learn what it is.
 
#54 ·
The REAL AutoRx test



sprintman


Registered: 05/27/02
Posts: 10726
Loc: Canberra ACT Australia



I humbly believe we on the other side of the planet have been conducting the REAL Rx test. So far more than 72 bottles (3 cases @ A$550-600 a case) have been used in multiple forklifts, large trucks, and a few cars. Forklift and truck owners demand tangible results as their livelihood depends on it. For an engine, a forklift is about as bad as it gets useage wise, very intermittent useage leading to condensation, sludging like you woudn't believe, just generally used and abused. The drivers don't own them so you can imagine oil or coolant levels etc get little attention. Rx results so far are encouraging showing almost clean oil at the 100hr service points (using maint dose), whereas before black as Hades. An amazing change. Drivers are reporting it "seems to run better". The maintenance bills are decreasing and you can be d--- sure owners notice that real quick. Test not finished yet but results so far look very encouraging and we are sure its a commercially viable here even at our highly inflated prices. Now is this a better test than a 'one off' in a street driven vehicle? But be assured nobody can deny we have "put our money where our mouth is" as we say here.




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sprintman, you started this thread on 8/10/03, I am sure almost 9 YEARS LATER that you probably have some results. I do have another question, is there a reason why this thread you started called THE REAL AUTO-RX TEST is Locked.
 
#62 ·
Mango,

Sprint mentioned the Auto-RX and then we heard about whatever else. I respect Sprint's advice here, though I wouldn't want to do anything to really clean out my engine too well anyway for the reasons I stated.

Also, I have to say that I am surprised Sprint does this, since it sounds like he's using a dino oil, and I've heard it's not good to switch back and forth...so would be interested to hear more about why he's doing this. Sprint?

As for the new member...I'm suspicious too.
 
#67 ·
Trajan, maybe you can explain about your association with auto-rx, how many free bottles did you get for posting this month. News Flash, auto-rx is no longer available, there is a new product called Auto-Rx Plus, basically what happened is that auto-rx was not selling. So when a product is not selling the name of the company or product chages names. Why would auto-rx change there name to auto-rx plus, because auto-rx had such a bad reputation and it was not working, there are 1109 customers in the USA who have bought auto-rx, guess how many of those customers are talking about this product favorably, 4 freaking people, and all 4 people are paid posters for auto-rx. This auto-rx plus name was devised by a guy named Daniel Weisner, he is a business consultant who helped redesign the auto-rx website, this auto-rx plus is exactly the same product as auto-rx, this product is pure snake oil, a snake oil salesman uses accomplices to push his product, Trajan is one of them, a product is snake oil when it does not live up to its claims, the only thing auto-rx plus is going to do is lighten your wallet. In 2012 auto-rx only picked up 19 new customers, 100% of arx customers are onetime customers, this product has not worked for anyone, even the accomplices like Trajan are not really using this product. If this product is so good then why do accomplices need to push it and lie to get sales. If this product is so good then why did this product lose its sponsorship on BITOG. If this product is so good, then why is it not sold in stores. If this product is so good, then why aren't other companies copying auto-rx. I would like to see you post this obituary of Gary Allan, because I am alive and well, there could be quite a few people named Gary Allan, so lets see this whole obituary you are talking about, and Trajan, I don't think you have the guts to post this obituary, and if you do post this obituary Trajan, make sure you post the whole obituary, don't leave anything out.
 
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3-31 On another message board it seems that the concern over Auto-Rx Plus performing better than any product that the trolls push has caused them to attack anybody who says anything positive about Auto-Rx. They know we can't post back so it is all them

I think it is time to clear up the BS on this other board regarding "How much Auto-Rx I bought and it did not work ($300.00) who in there right mind would buy so much product that did not work?

Than we have the tearful post about how rude i was and did not help this troll and he bought and used 4 bottles of Auto-Rx than felt i should give him a refund after he used all 4 bottles and had no product to return.

This is exactly why i took down the guarantee this was a lot of the type of "Refund Requests" we get They have used all the product they bought have nothing to send back and we should except there word and give them a refund. Originally we honored that ( true)

than it became evident these people who wanted a return and had no product to return as they used it all were scam artists.

If anybody has a problem with Auto-Rx Plus they can contact me.

I am all in on Auto-Rx Plus it is in a road test as i type this with a "real' mechanic who has used Kreen-MMO -and other magic potions. Auto-Rx Plus is the best formula we have ever made and it will be my last. All you have to do if follow the application instructions. As i type this 21 bitog members have bought multiple bottles of Auto-Rx Plus

Pricing--- you can buy 1 bottle of Auto-Rx Plus FOB Jacksonville Fl for $19.97 ( on our website we include charges like shipping-handling- packaging) web site prices are good anywhere in the USA including Alaska & Hawaii



This is the owner of auto-rx plus, sorry buddy, but a bottle of your Snake Oil costs $27.97 How is someone going to return auto-rx when they have already used the product, come on man, the reason you got rid of your Money Back Guarantee is because you know your product does not work. We now have a guy named Artem who used Kreen, he was not satisfied and he got his money back, Frank you were worried about Kroil's money back guarantee, well guess what, stop worrying it is just fine. It seems Artem was not happy with arx so you gave him a free bottle of arx plus, good boy, were there strings attached, I bet there were, I bet his Valvetrain will look sparkling clean after using your so called new and improved product. I am willing to bet that he will manually clean up his valvetrain and say that arx plus did it, maybe you will pickup a few sales from this SCAM that you are running, what are you going to do when these new users report back that your product did not work, are you going to accuse them of doing something wrong. These TROLLS you talk about are former arx customers who used your product and saw no results, I will give you some big names of people who think your product is junk: BOBISTHEOILGUY, Mori, buster, Molakule, Trav, SteveSRT8, demarpaint, Johnny ( the Pennzoil Guy), they and many others used your product and they thought it was worthless. You talk about FRAUD, how about all of the misleading remarks on the auto-rx forum. You love to show pics from Aaron's tests, did you let the people on your board know that you refused to sell auto-rx to him when you found out he was going to test your product, he had to get someone else to buy his product, and then the owner of arx and sprintman attacked him the whole time he was posting results of his product, why is arx afraid of people doing there own tests, well because they cannot control the outcome of these tests. All 3rd party tests on the arx forum except Aaron's were paid for by the owner of arx, meaning he supplied the product so he could control the tests, you think arx is going to put up tests that make arx look bad, give me a break. As far as Trolling, the owner of auto-rx has been trolling Internet Message Boards since 2002 telling people that other oil additives are bad without showing any kind of proof. I will give Trajan and sprintman an out from maybe getting free product, you two can show us your invoices for all of the arx you guys have bought, I even read where Trajan has not used arx in over 2 years. Arx has alot of theories about how there product works, but these are just theories without any type of proof to show that these theories really work, sorry but the You-Tube Videos arx presents are a serious joke, they have not spent a dime on research and development. Maybe the owner of arx needs to buy the board that he was kicked off of as a sponsor. Maybe the owner of auto-rx can tell us why there are 40 Locked Threads about arx that are Locked on the board that he was kicked off of. The owner of arx said that one day he will be in the record books for devoloping this product, you can only get in the record books if you develop a product that works. This product reminds me of Slick50, Duralube, and Prolong, anyone here using any of those products. Maybe Terry Dyson can come on here since he once recommended arx. Why is it that all of the posts on the arx forum are from the owner, why aren't sprintman and Trajan posting on the arx forum, because nobody goes there and the owner of arx is having his 2 paid accomplices troll other message boards. We now have Donald and badtlc pushing arx. Since nobody goes on your board Frank, and I know you are reading this, you can come on here and debate me and prove that I am wrong about your product, instead of using your site to vent your frustrations, come on here and fight for your product, if you do not want to, then everyone reading this will know that I am right. Why don't you prove to me that you are not a SNAKEOIL SALESMAN. I am willing to bet that Trajan or sprintman will post here instead of you. You can be sure that I will visit other message boards and tell the real story of auto-rx, are you ready to debate, or are you going to give up and throw in the towel, see you soon, FRANK MILLER.







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3-31 On another message board it seems that the concern over Auto-Rx Plus performing better than any product that the trolls push has caused them to attack anybody who says anything positive about Auto-Rx. They know we can't post back so it is all them

I think it is time to clear up the BS on this other board regarding "How much Auto-Rx I bought and it did not work ($300.00) who in there right mind would buy so much product that did not work?

Than we have the tearful post about how rude i was and did not help this troll and he bought and used 4 bottles of Auto-Rx than felt i should give him a refund after he used all 4 bottles and had no product to return.

This is exactly why i took down the guarantee this was a lot of the type of "Refund Requests" we get They have used all the product they bought have nothing to send back and we should except there word and give them a refund. Originally we honored that ( true)

than it became evident these people who wanted a return and had no product to return as they used it all were scam artists.

If anybody has a problem with Auto-Rx Plus they can contact me.

I am all in on Auto-Rx Plus it is in a road test as i type this with a "real' mechanic who has used Kreen-MMO -and other magic potions. Auto-Rx Plus is the best formula we have ever made and it will be my last. All you have to do if follow the application instructions. As i type this 21 bitog members have bought multiple bottles of Auto-Rx Plus

Pricing--- you can buy 1 bottle of Auto-Rx Plus FOB Jacksonville Fl for $19.97 ( on our website we include charges like shipping-handling- packaging) web site prices are good anywhere in the USA including Alaska & Hawaii




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3-31 On another message board it seems that the concern over Auto-Rx Plus performing better than any product that the trolls push has caused them to attack anybody who says anything positive about Auto-Rx. They know we can't post back so it is all them

I think it is time to clear up the BS on this other board regarding "How much Auto-Rx I bought and it did not work ($300.00) who in there right mind would buy so much product that did not work?

Than we have the tearful post about how rude i was and did not help this troll and he bought and used 4 bottles of Auto-Rx than felt i should give him a refund after he used all 4 bottles and had no product to return.

This is exactly why i took down the guarantee this was a lot of the type of "Refund Requests" we get They have used all the product they bought have nothing to send back and we should except there word and give them a refund. Originally we honored that ( true)

than it became evident these people who wanted a return and had no product to return as they used it all were scam artists.

If anybody has a problem with Auto-Rx Plus they can contact me.

I am all in on Auto-Rx Plus it is in a road test as i type this with a "real' mechanic who has used Kreen-MMO -and other magic potions. Auto-Rx Plus is the best formula we have ever made and it will be my last. All you have to do if follow the application instructions. As i type this 21 bitog members have bought multiple bottles of Auto-Rx Plus

Pricing--- you can buy 1 bottle of Auto-Rx Plus FOB Jacksonville Fl for $19.97 ( on our website we include charges like shipping-handling- packaging) web site prices are good anywhere in the USA including Alaska & Hawaii
 
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