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Old 01-21-2015, 03:14 PM   #41
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Yea, and that's basically how people play games.

The basic definition of intelligence is the ability to acquire and apply knowledge (or data, in computer terms).
But is that really learning in the sense we're talking about? I can program a robot to map out a room and then drive around it without hitting anything. Would you say that robot possesses intelligence or actual learning ability? By some definitions, yes, but in terms of what I think we're all really discussing, no.
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Old 01-21-2015, 03:46 PM   #42
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But is that really learning in the sense we're talking about? I can program a robot to map out a room and then drive around it without hitting anything. Would you say that robot possesses intelligence or actual learning ability? By some definitions, yes, but in terms of what I think we're all really discussing, no.

Same with my phone. It's learned ph4gg0t as a word, and suggests it when I'm typing. That doesn't make it intelligent.

An intelligent phone would learn to use l33t for all the censored words, without being taught each one.

True story, though.
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Bingo, card games are not AI. The computer is just number crunching probabilities given by cards in hand, cards available, cards showing, etc and finding out what its probability of winning is based on that. It isn't learning so to speak, it's executing code is all.
I think you're missing the point. Yes, all it's doing when it plays is executing code about probabilities to figure out what to do. But that set of rules that makes up it's algorithm, what actually determines the probability of winning based on a given set of data, was entirely self-taught. It's using a neural net to develop its own algorithm.

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True AI would have the ability to learn how to play poker without any coding at all beyond the base AI code.
That is the point. That's exactly what it did. It was programmed with the rules of poker, that's all. That constitutes the "base AI code" since all this research project set out to do initially was solve poker. When a new person plays poker for the first time, you explain the rules to them the same way. From there they said, "now go figure out how to win." And it did just that, to the point where it can never lose, using a computer network that simulates neurons in the brain. That's more than can be said of any human, and is extremely impressive. In fact, according to the articles on it, the strategy it uses goes against what most poker players will tell you, so it sounds like they could learn some things from it.

All AI is ever going to do is develop algorithms based on probabilities developed from increasingly complex unstructured data sets. How can i have the best chance of a desirable outcome, based on what I was programmed to consider desirable? This doesn't make it any less intelligent, and is exactly how our own brains work, except right now our brains can handle much more nuanced data sets that include things like inflection in speech, or subtle body language in interaction.

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But is that really learning in the sense we're talking about? I can program a robot to map out a room and then drive around it without hitting anything. Would you say that robot possesses intelligence or actual learning ability? By some definitions, yes, but in terms of what I think we're all really discussing, no.
You have to start somewhere. And I'd say figuring out how to beat any human in poker is a pretty good start.

You might be thinking of consciousness, which is different from intelligence. AI doesn't have to be self aware to be AI.

If it can pass the Turing test though, then it's smart enough to fool you into thinking it's actually another person (and self aware).
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I think movies have trained people to think of AI as Arnold Schwarzenegger running around as a super human robot. AI is actually a lot more simple, and really only involves computers being able to "learn" in a way that replicates the process in the human brain so that it can solve more complicated problems than it could before. Moore's Law has eventually given us enough processing power to carry out this new technique using neural networks. Right now we'll only see it manifested as smarter Google search results, more accurate translation apps, better Youtube or Google Now recommendations, more accurate voice to text transcription, etc. As it progresses, it will no doubt get closer to Arnold status, but that will still only be much more advanced iterations of what's happening now.
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I think you're missing the point. Yes, all it's doing when it plays is executing code about probabilities to figure out what to do. But that set of rules that makes up it's algorithm, what actually determines the probability of winning based on a given set of data, was entirely self-taught. It's using a neural net to develop its own algorithm.

This wasn't properly conveyed in your post about it. I figured it was just another chess computer that learned other people's patterns and strategies given the coding on how to do so. If the computer was given a set of rules and developed all of it's own algorithms for how to play then that's getting up to the AI point.

That is the point. That's exactly what it did. It was programmed with the rules of poker, that's all. That constitutes the "base AI code" since all this research project set out to do initially was solve poker. When a new person plays poker for the first time, you explain the rules to them the same way. From there they said, "now go figure out how to win." And it did just that, to the point where it can never lose, using a computer network that simulates neurons in the brain. That's more than can be said of any human, and is extremely impressive. In fact, according to the articles on it, the strategy it uses goes against what most poker players will tell you, so it sounds like they could learn some things from it.

All AI is ever going to do is develop algorithms based on probabilities developed from increasingly complex unstructured data sets. How can i have the best chance of a desirable outcome, based on what I was programmed to consider desirable? This doesn't make it any less intelligent, and is exactly how our own brains work, except right now our brains can handle much more nuanced data sets that include things like inflection in speech, or subtle body language in interaction.

We are in agreement then.
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Google's AI Masters Space Invaders (But It Still Stinks at Pac-Man)

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That news comes via a new paper in the scientific journal Nature, which says that the software learned to play 22 classic Atari titles better than a human expert video game tester could. The work updates an earlier paper on the same software published at an AI conference in late 2013. Back then the software took on seven titles, and it could only outperform humans at three. At the time DeepMind was an independent startup.

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Hassabis’s team, called Google DeepMind, has now developed a more complex, tuned-up version of their “deep Q-network” that took on 49 different Atari games. That it became a superhuman player of 22 of them, including Space Invaders, underlines the power of DeepMind’s technology. But the way it lagged human performance at 20 others, and only matched it for the rest, is a reminder that even this unusually capable software still has only limited intelligence.

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Services like mobile assistants and automatic translation are familiar and workable today, but they can be frustratingly limited. Software that can learn to beat you at video games may be exciting, but its first real impact on the world is likely to be bringing new ( you might say overdue) polish to services we already use.
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It might be able to play Crysis, but can it run Crysis?
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Part of intelligence is the preservation of life no?
Says who? Countless species do instinctive things that costs them their own lives. Oh, but you meant humans, right? Because AI is automatically human in nature? Well even with your convoluted logic, you have heard of something called "suicide" no?
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Says who? Countless species do instinctive things that costs them their own lives. Oh, but you meant humans, right? Because AI is automatically human in nature? Well even with your convoluted logic, you have heard of something called "suicide" no?
What? Do some reading then come back and talk.

If countless species do things that cost their own lives then chances are they aren't considered "intelligent".

Suicide is not the same thing as preserving life. Normal subconscious reaction to a threat is to preserve life in some way shape or form regardless of species.
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Clearly you don't know what intelligence means. "Smart" and "intelligent" are not one and the same. It appears YOU should do some reading then come back and talk.
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Still in the ANI phase. You can start to worry when AI gets in the ASI phase, then we done, but It'll be a while.
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LMAO OK dude. This thing isn't even intelligent (yet) and it would still kick your @ss.

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Close Quarters Combat - I can still kick any machine's ass in hand to hand, so I'm good.

Just keep telling yourself that as chokebot's hydraulic hand crushes your pathetic organic windpipe.

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