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Old 05-11-2017, 07:25 PM   #141
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The new top of the line Colorado is supposed to be a beast but it's a GM vehicle, the interior will fall apart after a year.
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Old 05-11-2017, 07:27 PM   #142
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Powerwagon is gigantic. I wouldn't ever buy the ZR2 (because Taco) but it's cool that a stock truck can do that without any issues.

I think once the order books open, I'll consider getting the JL but might wait for Costco pricing to start so I don't get fvcked by the dealer.
Dont waste your time. Join treadlightly. $100 a year, guaranteed 1% below invoice for any FCA product, no need to waste time negotiating, especially on a factory order. Dealers will also give you a better price on your trade in, because they make a few bucks on the affiliate code when you use the program. Powerwagon is big, but I dont think it's any bigger than the colorado no? It's just a ram on stilts and factory 33s....or is the colorado a mid size truck?

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Old 05-11-2017, 07:32 PM   #143
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October/November 2017: 2018 Wrangler JL Order Banks Open
November 13, 2017: 2018 Wrangler JL Production Begins

2019 Wrangler JT Pickup:
August 2018: 2019 JT Wrangler Pickup Truck Order Banks Open
October 2018: 2019 JT Wrangler Pickup Truck Production Begins (See Thread For More Info)

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Old 05-17-2017, 11:07 AM   #144
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Old 05-17-2017, 11:15 AM   #145
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Dont waste your time. Join treadlightly. $100 a year, guaranteed 1% below invoice for any FCA product, no need to waste time negotiating, especially on a factory order. Dealers will also give you a better price on your trade in, because they make a few bucks on the affiliate code when you use the program. Powerwagon is big, but I dont think it's any bigger than the colorado no? It's just a ram on stilts and factory 33s....or is the colorado a mid size truck?

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Colorado is a mid size. It used to actually be smaller than the Silverado, it is getting damn near just as big now but it is still the baby brother to the Silverado.

Power Wagon is a bigger truck than a Colorado.
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Dont waste your time. Join treadlightly. $100 a year, guaranteed 1% below invoice for any FCA product, no need to waste time negotiating, especially on a factory order. Dealers will also give you a better price on your trade in, because they make a few bucks on the affiliate code when you use the program. Powerwagon is big, but I dont think it's any bigger than the colorado no? It's just a ram on stilts and factory 33s....or is the colorado a mid size truck?

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Colorado is Tacoma sized. Power Wagon is as big or bigger than a Tundra/Silverado.

Costco pricing is very similar to that and I don't have to pay extra for it so...
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Look forward to the JL coming out. Wife and i have talked about getting one in 2019 after they've worked out most of the kinks that may come up with the first model year. I like the interior but it's starting to look a little too pretty and less "rugged" but in reality who cares.
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Old 05-17-2017, 04:58 PM   #148
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Colorado is Tacoma sized. Power Wagon is as big or bigger than a Tundra/Silverado.

Costco pricing is very similar to that and I don't have to pay extra for it so...
Costco pricing is only useful if there is no trade in going on.
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Look forward to the JL coming out. Wife and i have talked about getting one in 2019 after they've worked out most of the kinks that may come up with the first model year. I like the interior but it's starting to look a little too pretty and less "rugged" but in reality who cares.
The ruggedness is stupid at this point. The wrangler is chock full of electronics that can't get wet, so if you submerge your dash, you're going to kill it, so there is no reason for having a totally sh!t interior at this point. They already put all sensitive stuff up high, so with a minor lift and tires, you're good for about 4' of water.....but at 4', I'd be more comfortable with a snorkel.
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Look forward to the JL coming out. Wife and i have talked about getting one in 2019 after they've worked out most of the kinks that may come up with the first model year. I like the interior but it's starting to look a little too pretty and less "rugged" but in reality who cares.
Are you actually going to heavily off road it? If not, then don't worry about it. Even if you are, it's really not a big deal. If it is a big deal, I'm sure the aftermarket would be happy to sell you a sh1tty interior to replace your nice one.

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Costco pricing is only useful if there is no trade in going on.
Unsure if we're going to trade or sell on our own at this point.
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Gotcha. I find that Truecar pricing is also good, but again, only when it's a straight deal without a trade. As for the wrangler, would be awesome if they had a "marine grade" option, where all chipsets and circuit boards are silicone dipped and are waterproof.
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Old 05-17-2017, 05:39 PM   #152
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Gotcha. I find that Truecar pricing is also good, but again, only when it's a straight deal without a trade. As for the wrangler, would be awesome if they had a "marine grade" option, where all chipsets and circuit boards are silicone dipped and are waterproof.
Issue with this is the heat that would be generated by the waterproofed/sealed components, sure it can be done aftermarket but I am guessing the manufacturers don't want to deal with that potential headache.
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Issue with this is the heat that would be generated by the waterproofed/sealed components, sure it can be done aftermarket but I am guessing the manufacturers don't want to deal with that potential headache.
Yup. Silicone isn't a good conductor of heat. Making 100% sealed units like this is silly especially when only 0.001% of people will ever actually use it like that. For that minute population, they can DIY it. Hell, even boats don't have a "marine grade" option like that lol. They just put all the electronics up high and cover them up to prevent splashing. If they go under water, there are going to be bigger issues.
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I could be wrong, but I was under the impression the difference between (take the car/boat amplifier/headunit industry) regular and "marine grade" was dipped circuit boards.

EDIT....seems I used the wrong substance, they are not dipped in silicone but rather some other type of coating (called conformal coating) preventing corrosion and such, more importantly, they seem to prevent shorting.

http://pctconformalcoating.com/indus...hoCKvsQAvD_BwE
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