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Old 04-24-2017, 11:45 PM   #41
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The real talent isn't at NASA, Lockheed, or SpaceX, it's at Apple. Whatever helps you sleep at night.
Lockheed and NASA do not pay very well. I'm not sure about SpaceX.

I did not say anything about apple.


It's very common for college students to think aerospace is the ultimate engineering segment, when in fact it will probably take you 10+ years in aerospace to reach the starting compensation of tech industry engineers.

Sorry for trying to be helpful, I should have given a trigger warning.

Aerospace is full of 50+ year olds who drive Camrys and hate their spouse. It's basically a life sentence to lower middle class.
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They make the da Vinci robot. Google that.
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I dunno. It's just really cool to think about ultra precise motors, super sterile equipment, and almost perfect manufacturing tolerances in order to make robots that perform surgery on people.

Also, they show all their equipment being tested in front of big windows on the street, which is dope as fvck to see.

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Lockheed and NASA do not pay very well. I'm not sure about SpaceX.

I did not say anything about apple.


It's very common for college students to think aerospace is the ultimate engineering segment, when in fact it will probably take you 10+ years in aerospace to reach the starting compensation of tech industry engineers.

Sorry for trying to be helpful, I should have given a trigger warning.

Aerospace is full of 50+ year olds who drive Camrys and hate their spouse. It's basically a life sentence to lower middle class.
SpaceX definitely doesn't pay well. I got contacted by a recruiter for a position there in CA. I looked on glassdoor and I'd only be making 25% more at best and probably working 20 more hours per week in an area where rent is 4x what it is where I currently live. It'd be a huge drop in QOL.

Now, NASA I know pays decently. It's not high, but it's tiered and you know what you're going to get in the future basically. Makes life planning pretty simple from what I've been able to learn. The NASA engineers I know are all compensated well for their work. They don't seem to work crazy hours either. They are definitely some bright folks, but you also really have to be motivated by the mission more than anything. You don't work there to make a lot of money.

I don't think students look at aerospace as the ultimate engineering segment because they think it pays well. I think they're inspired by the work that's done. It's a lot of cutting edge stuff, but I'm sure once you're in it, it's just like any other big corporation that does a lot of engineering (AKA bureaucracy).
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I dunno. It's just really cool to think about ultra precise motors, super sterile equipment, and almost perfect manufacturing tolerances in order to make robots that perform surgery on people.

Also, they show all their equipment being tested in front of big windows on the street, which is dope as fvck to see.

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They make the da Vinci robot. Google that.
I don't need to google them - I already know what they do.
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I dunno. It's just really cool to think about ultra precise motors, super sterile equipment, and almost perfect manufacturing tolerances in order to make robots that perform surgery on people.

Also, they show all their equipment being tested in front of big windows on the street, which is dope as fvck to see.

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I dunno. It's just really cool to think about ultra precise motors, super sterile equipment, and almost perfect manufacturing tolerances in order to make robots that perform surgery on people.

Also, they show all their equipment being tested in front of big windows on the street, which is dope as fvck to see.

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Fun story, for some procedures the robot actually causes more trauma than the normal procedure.

Either way, it's cool AF. It's also really hard to learn how to use it. I got to try to put stitches in a piece of meat as a demo, it was hard AF and I can do stitches by hand pretty well.

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SpaceX definitely doesn't pay well. I got contacted by a recruiter for a position there in CA. I looked on glassdoor and I'd only be making 25% more at best and probably working 20 more hours per week in an area where rent is 4x what it is where I currently live. It'd be a huge drop in QOL.

Now, NASA I know pays decently. It's not high, but it's tiered and you know what you're going to get in the future basically. Makes life planning pretty simple from what I've been able to learn. The NASA engineers I know are all compensated well for their work. They don't seem to work crazy hours either. They are definitely some bright folks, but you also really have to be motivated by the mission more than anything. You don't work there to make a lot of money.

I don't think students look at aerospace as the ultimate engineering segment because they think it pays well. I think they're inspired by the work that's done. It's a lot of cutting edge stuff, but I'm sure once you're in it, it's just like any other big corporation that does a lot of engineering (AKA bureaucracy).
There's no such thing as a company that pays well for a life in the bay area unless you're an executive or live way out of the city and spend half your life in traffic. I bet sh1t eater lives in some 4 bedroom box with 6 other dudes in order to afford the COL in the area.

Agree with the rest of your post.

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There's no such thing as a company that pays well for a life in the bay area unless you're an executive or live way out of the city and spend half your life in traffic. I bet sh1t eater lives in some 4 bedroom box with 6 other dudes in order to afford the COL in the area.

Agree with the rest of your post.
I interviewed for a position at Apple recently and I was going to take it if I got it. The salary was enough to make up for the San Jose area cost for sure. So there are companies that can make up for the COL, but there aren't many.
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I interviewed for a position at Apple recently and I was going to take it if I got it. The salary was enough to make up for the San Jose area cost for sure. So there are companies that can make up for the COL, but there aren't many.
How long would you spend in traffic every day? I'm sure the COL in a city that big varies quite a lot.
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How long would you spend in traffic every day? I'm sure the COL in a city that big varies quite a lot.
I looked a lot to determine if it was worth accepting in the event I got an offer. It wouldn't have been bad. Getting to Cupertino seemed pretty straight forward if I lived in northern San Jose or near San Jose State Uni. The cost wasn't that bad over there. Maybe 30 minutes in traffic at worst. That's what Google maps suggested from the various apts and houses I looked at at 730 am and 5pm (worst times). I likely would be staying later than 5 though so OTW home would be easy.
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I interviewed for a position at Apple recently and I was going to take it if I got it. The salary was enough to make up for the San Jose area cost for sure. So there are companies that can make up for the COL, but there aren't many.
Yeah but did they give you a smug package to pay for having to deal with Apple employees?
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Yeah but did they give you a smug package to pay for having to deal with Apple employees?
If I'm honest, a couple of the people I met seemed fairly arrogant. They kind of made it seem like I'd be doing something incredibly difficult. The job was in line with what I've already been doing in the auto industry. I looked at their past experience. They were highly educated and had interesting experience in R&D usually, but not much background in PM and high volume manufacturing. So to them, the job must've been totally new. For me, the only new thing would be the size of Apple and the larger volumes that Apple ships. The concept of the job was quite simple.
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If I'm honest, a couple of the people I met seemed fairly arrogant. They kind of made it seem like I'd be doing something incredibly difficult. The job was in line with what I've already been doing in the auto industry. I looked at their past experience. They were highly educated and had interesting experience in R&D usually, but not much background in PM and high volume manufacturing. So to them, the job must've been totally new. For me, the only new thing would be the size of Apple and the larger volumes that Apple ships. The concept of the job was quite simple.
I believe that sh1t eater is the embodiment of this description. I'm not sure I'd take a job out there. The lifestyle just doesn't jive with what I want.
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If I'm honest, a couple of the people I met seemed fairly arrogant. They kind of made it seem like I'd be doing something incredibly difficult.
That's what my Google interview felt like. If, at any point, you didn't say something in plain English, they'd ask you to precisely explain what it means. He had permanent poker face.

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My interviews were fairly casual which I liked. I just didn't like the attitude I detected on a couple of the people I spoke to. The manager seemed pretty cool. I wasn't going to let just a couple people turn me off completely. I know how to deal with all sorts of people so they wouldn't be a problem day to day.


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I know a guy that got up and walked out of an interview at Boeing because of their attitude. He said the interview was going well and then the hiring manager asked if he wanted to take the job. He told them he had a couple other offers and wanted to wait a few days before making a decision when the recruiter responded with "But we're Boeing" He said he stood up, walked out, and told them to withdraw his application.
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I know a guy that got up and walked out of an interview at Boeing because of their attitude. He said the interview was going well and then the hiring manager asked if he wanted to take the job. He told them he had a couple other offers and wanted to wait a few days before making a decision when the recruiter responded with "But we're Boeing" He said he stood up, walked out, and told them to withdraw his application.

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