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Old 05-16-2017, 09:10 AM   #21
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Curious if anyone here actually has an account of an offset accident.

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I've been in one personally. In a 2003 Miata ~30 mph. I was lucky he struck the frame on the car and it wasn't a glancing blow. Still came out with a bad concussion.

Granted rear ends are more common but it still happens. The thing to remember is this test was a 30 mph, take that up to 60mph for both cars, and now the energy stored in both cars has quadrupled. The '15 corolla already had the A-pillar buckle at 30 mph, it would have been obliterated at 60mph, or with a midsized SUV

Here's an example from this weekend in my area.
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The press memo states Mr. Fitzgerald's vehicle crossed the center line for an unknown reason and struck a Westbound 2012 Toyota Yaris being driven by 24-year old Pamela Moyer of Bellingham. The force of the crash caused her vehicle to rollover where it came to rest on the Westbound Shoulder of State Route 542. Mr. Fitzgerald's Suburban continued Eastbound in the Westbound Lane and then struck a 1998 Subaru Legacy head-on. The Subaru Legacy was being driven by the husband of the first vehicle, 25-year old Phillip Moyer of Ferndale. The Suburban came to rest in the Eastbound Lane and the Subaru Legacy came to rest in the Westbound Ditch according to the press release.
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Old 05-16-2017, 09:13 AM   #22
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This one is even more telling...

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Old 05-16-2017, 09:13 AM   #23
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Trying to remember everyone I know that has ever been in an accident, Im talking EVERYONE, and Im talking EVER. I don't think a single one of them has been this stupid moronic offset test.
I'd imagine it happens rather often. They aren't going to add an expensive test just for sh1ts and giggles.
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Old 05-16-2017, 09:34 AM   #24
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Old 05-16-2017, 09:51 AM   #26
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Not surprised by the results of the crash. Great that cars are built safer, but lets look at some facts here. New cars are bigger and heavier. That new corolla weighs close to 400lb heavier than the older one.

Put the new corolla up against a car that has the same weight advantage then compare the differences in damage.
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Old 05-16-2017, 09:58 AM   #27
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Not surprised by the results of the crash. Great that cars are built safer, but lets look at some facts here. New cars are bigger and heavier. That new corolla weighs close to 400lb heavier than the older one.

Put the new corolla up against a car that has the same weight advantage then compare the differences in damage.
It's not all about the weight. It's about the ability of the structure to absorb the crash and/or direct the energy around the passenger compartment.

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Old 05-16-2017, 10:03 AM   #28
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It's not all about the weight. It's about the ability of the structure to absorb the crash and/or direct the energy around the passenger compartment.
This is nothing more than an assumption, but i would guess decent amount of that extra 400lbs was probably put into the chassis or parts of the car that are made for impact.
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This is nothing more than an assumption, but i would guess decent amount of that extra 400lbs was probably put into the chassis or parts of the car that are made for impact.
Or it could be put into computers, engine management systems, air conditioning, modern amenities, electronics, wiring, nav systems, audio equipment, etc... Either way, even if it was put into impact mitigation that weight is not just for sheer mass, it was for making the car better able to absorb the impact energy and direct it around the passenger compartment.

The video I posted of the two Chevy's being crashed is pretty telling though. The 1959 weighs in at ~3700lbs and the 2009 is 3400lbs.

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This one is even more telling...

damn that is nuts. And you wouldn't normally expect that to happen because you'd think the massive amounts of old thick steel on the old chevy would just destroy the new thin-paneled cars. But the entire passenger compartment is obliterated in the old car.

Also Wild Willy, your passenger compartment looked pretty decent in the footwell area, what was the injury from, just shock from the collision and body getting slammed against the air bags, etc? I'd imagine if you were in that old skool chevy, you'd be dead right now. So you are lucky to have survived that crash.
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damn that is nuts. And you wouldn't normally expect that to happen because you'd think the massive amounts of old thick steel on the old chevy would just destroy the new thin-paneled cars. But the entire passenger compartment is obliterated in the old car.

Also Wild Willy, your passenger compartment looked pretty decent in the footwell area, what was the injury from, just shock from the collision and body getting slammed against the air bags, etc? I'd imagine if you were in that old skool chevy, you'd be dead right now. So you are lucky to have survived that crash.
Correct. The problem with the old cars is that the strongest bits were at the front and back and the weakest were in the middle where you sat. Their thinking was like yours that big giant panels of steel can just smash through stuff. Unfortunately though, that force has to go somewhere and it's always up to the weakest parts to absorb the energy first...which happens to be where the person sat before they were crushed like a pop can and the crumple zones were basically your knees and elbows.

Modern cars have a weaker crash structure in the front and rear on purpose with the idea that as it deforms, it absorbs the energy from the collision. The middle part where you sit is very strong and allows the energy to go through and around the passenger compartment and away from the people inside.
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Or it could be put into computers, engine management systems, air conditioning, modern amenities, electronics, wiring, nav systems, audio equipment, etc... Either way, even if it was put into impact mitigation that weight is not just for sheer mass, it was for making the car better able to absorb the impact energy and direct it around the passenger compartment.

The video I posted of the two Chevy's being crashed is pretty telling though. The 1959 weighs in at ~3700lbs and the 2009 is 3400lbs.
Damn... well that settles that.
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Old 05-16-2017, 02:16 PM   #33
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I hit a stone wall going sideways in a 2001 Pontiac GTP Coupe (I loved that car) going maybe 20mph at the time of impact. The driver seat was compressed from the side impact.

I'm actually very surprised at how poorly LOTS of cars do in side impacts. Even a new Impala or a Lexus ES is only getting a 2 star side impact rating.

I'm looking to get a new car soon and I know safety ratings will be on my priority list. The e46 seemed to rate pretty good from what I remember.

Bigger is still safer. I'm probably going to end up in a 2010 or 2014 528...maybe 535...but reliability has me very nervous, especially in the 35.

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Old 05-16-2017, 02:41 PM   #34
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damn that is nuts. And you wouldn't normally expect that to happen because you'd think the massive amounts of old thick steel on the old chevy would just destroy the new thin-paneled cars. But the entire passenger compartment is obliterated in the old car.

Also Wild Willy, your passenger compartment looked pretty decent in the footwell area, what was the injury from, just shock from the collision and body getting slammed against the air bags, etc? I'd imagine if you were in that old skool chevy, you'd be dead right now. So you are lucky to have survived that crash.
Those old cars are not necessarily made of thicker sheet metal. The main difference is that the fenders were bolted on at a few locations and are "floating" over the wheels and chassis, they weren't designed to be crush zones. Newer cars have a unibody construction where the chassis is integrated into a core structure. You started to see unibody construction in small 60s cars but wasn't the norm, and they weren't design with the intention of being crush zones.

This is what my 53 looks like with the front end off. The body ends at the firewall and the fenders bolt on to the uprights at the front of the chassis.

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This is not my 2002 but you can see the unibody without the fenders.



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This is not my 2002 but you can see the unibody without the fenders.



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But but but your forum name, and that guy in this picture.....! Is it really you???


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well from now on we will all know you as the guy on that pic. you shall be called javier.
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