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Old 05-18-2017, 07:32 PM   #1
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Overfilled Oil, Car Won't Start

Hey folks, hoping to get some insights here before I shell out for underground towing.

My e46 has been having issues with oil burning. I recently had the pan gasket replaced, car was checked and all plugs/seals were fine, no leaks anywhere.

Mechanic gave me some oil to top up in case it started burning again. When the oil light came on I thought hey ill just top it up so I proceeded to pour the 2l of oil into the car while it was running (had been running for about 5 minutes). I don't know if that fact changed the level on the dipstick but later that night when I wanted to go out my car wouldn't start.

When I first tried to fire the ignition I heard a sort of chug-a-lug noise, almost like a gurgling but not quite. Sounded more like the battery dying but the lights, radio etc were at full brightness and working perfectly. I tried to start it a few more times and stopped hearing any clicking.

The car previously had issues with the battery because of the avin avant 2 i had installed, which ultimately fried my alternator, so I had the alternator replaced with a higher voltage one.

When I checked the dipstick last night the oil was well above the second bulge. Possibly by an inch or so (onto the thin aluminium part of the rod). Today I got an oil extractor and pumped out about 3l of oil which after letting settle the dipstick hows it dead center between min and max, but when I tried to start the car immediately after it wouldnt start.

I hooked it up to my buddy's car with booster cables and tried again and still not getting any clicking. Essentially no noise when I try to start the engine.

Does anyone have any ideas on what might be happening here? Could the excess oil have shorted something or fried my alternator again? Now that the excess oil has been drained could the issue possibly resolve itself if I let it sit or is this likely to be something more serious?

Appreciate any input as the car is underground in a garage with 6.5" clearance.
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Old 05-18-2017, 07:47 PM   #2
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I hate to says this, I may be wrong, but the 2004-2005 xi starters fail with little to no warning all the time. Not sure why this is, but I have seen this as a pretty regular trend. The issue is the xi starter is a PITA to replace, many do it from under the hood, a few have replaced the start with the intake still installed, some remove the intake.

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I hate to says this, I may be wrong, but the 2004-2005 xi starters fail with little to no warning all the time. Not sure why this is, but I have seen this as a pretty regular trend. The issue is the xi starter is a PITA to replace, many do it from under the hood, a few have replaced the start with the intake still installed, some remove the intake.

Good luck.
surely not a coincidence with the timing though right? is there any way to determine whether the starter is the issue? Also, correct me if I'm wrong but arent both starter and alternator roughly $300 parts that require 2.5ish hours of work?
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surely not a coincidence with the timing though right? is there any way to determine whether the starter is the issue? Also, correct me if I'm wrong but arent both starter and alternator roughly $300 parts that require 2.5ish hours of work?
I think the book time on the starter is about 4-4.5 hours and this is doing it from the underside of the car on a lift.

The XI is what kills you, I think the front driveshaft needs to be removed, this is why many just attempt the job from under the hood. A few handy people claim they have done this without the intake removal, but many remove the intake. I think getting the bolts loose is a bit PITA.

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surely not a coincidence with the timing though right? is there any way to determine whether the starter is the issue? Also, correct me if I'm wrong but arent both starter and alternator roughly $300 parts that require 2.5ish hours of work?
Alt can be done in no time. Starter I read is a PITA.
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I think the book time on the starter is about 4-4.5 hours and this is doing it from the underside of the car on a lift.

The XI is what kills you, I think the front driveshaft needs to be removed, this is why many just attempt the job from under the hood. A few handy people claim they have done this without the intake removal, but many remove the intake. I think getting the bolts loose is a bit PITA.

Good luck.
blah...mechanic told me subframe would have to be lowered. 270 CAD plus cost of part. honestly ill be happy if its that though and not a seized engine. are you able to diagnose anything from this video? Its a compilation of 3 videos...after letting the car sit i tried it again and in the first video you cna hear the starter clicking. We attached jumper cables at this point and tried again, no clicking (last two videos):

supper appreciative of you taking the time to reply btw. thanks!
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Alt can be done in no time. Starter I read is a PITA.
someone mentioned if it were just the alt the car when start when boosted (it didnt)
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someone mentioned if it were just the alt the car when start when boosted (it didnt)
Re-write this to make certain I can ascertain what you are trying to say.
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Re-write this to make certain I can ascertain what you are trying to say.
He's saying that it can't be an alternator issue because his car would have started when he had it hooked up with jumpers to his friends car. Therefore it's some other issue.
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You might luck out rotating the engine slightly or banging on the started. From the first part of the video, it sounded like the solenoid was clicking on and off due to a low battery. Maybe the solenoid got partially hung with the start drive engaged in the flywheel??
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He's saying that it can't be an alternator issue because his car would have started when he had it hooked up with jumpers to his friends car. Therefore it's some other issue.
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sorry for the typos...what the guy above said. Alternator shouldnt be the issue considering car wouldnt start when hooked up to friends battery.
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You might luck out rotating the engine slightly or banging on the started. From the first part of the video, it sounded like the solenoid was clicking on and off due to a low battery. Maybe the solenoid got partially hung with the start drive engaged in the flywheel??
im hearing the bang on the starter bit a lot...problem is im such a noob i dont even feel comfortable taking out the airbox.

Right now im looking at having a mobile mechanic come to my underground parking with a new starter. theyre quoting me 677 CAD taxes in but if the starters not the issue im out 100 for nothing. Should i ask them to bring solenoid part too?
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It WOULD crank and start if the alt was bad.

Get a stick, put it on the starter and rap on it. If it starts, go to a shop and have it replaced.
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You could likely fill the oil all the way to the top overflowing without any hindrance to the starter mechanically turning the engine. Its just a thing that turns metal stuff. So 2L extra won't hurt. In fact, some people pour 2L extra on PURPOSE as a performance benefit (EXTRA GOOD)

So just do some professional mango maintenance and settle in and saddle up. You'll literally be in for the ride of your lifetime
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You could likely fill the oil all the way to the top overflowing without any hindrance to the starter mechanically turning the engine. Its just a thing that turns metal stuff. So 2L extra won't hurt. In fact, some people pour 2L extra on PURPOSE as a performance benefit (EXTRA GOOD)

So just do some professional mango maintenance and settle in and saddle up. You'll literally be in for the ride of your lifetime
im hearing this a lot too...btw big fan - your cooling system overhaul was one of the first guides i read and the first DIY project ive ever done on this car (albeit with LOTS of help from an experienced friend).

My gripe is, how could this possibly be a coincidence? that this would happen right after overfilling and never before?
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It WOULD crank and start if the alt was bad.

Get a stick, put it on the starter and rap on it. If it starts, go to a shop and have it replaced.
lol noob question...my understanding is that the starter is just beneath the airbox. is there a way to reach it without removing a bunch of stuff?
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Should i ask them to bring solenoid part too?
Solenoid is part of the starter.

Banging on the starter is nothing to worry about, I have seen people beat the crap out of the starter, but on this car it is very hard to reach the starter, probably would require an extension bar of some sort.

If you get a mechanic out to look at the car, sure he should probably bring a starter, but he is in a better position to diagnose what may be the problem, likely the starter but could be all sorts of possible problems.
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Solenoid is part of the starter.

Banging on the starter is nothing to worry about, I have seen people beat the crap out of the starter, but on this car it is very hard to reach the starter, probably would require an extension bar of some sort.

If you get a mechanic out to look at the car, sure he should probably bring a starter, but he is in a better position to diagnose what may be the problem, likely the starter but could be all sorts of possible problems.
oh ok was just looking here and saw that they were listed as separate parts so wasnt sure: http://www.pelicanparts.com/cgi-bin/...erTech%23item0

mechanic will be bringing the bosch starter with him i believe.
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