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Old 08-14-2013, 12:30 PM   #41
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Where a person is conceived matters not. It's all about location of birth.
don't confuse him, he's just learning all these big words

edit: There is obvious a good faith argument to be made on both sides of this. However, we should also look to the intent of the natural born citizen wordage...which would suggest that they meant someone born here and not abroad.

And again, the McCain thing as an issue
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Old 08-14-2013, 12:36 PM   #42
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Old 08-14-2013, 12:48 PM   #43
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So my provided definition still stands. Sorry that you hate the children of diplomats or military children concieved in a foreign hospital.
I don't hate anyone. I respect the rules and laws we have on the books. Your definition obviously doesn't stand because the CURRENT legal definition of a natural born citizen is a person born under a jurisdiction of a government (ie the country, an embassy, or a military base).
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I don't hate anyone. I respect the rules and laws we have on the books. Your definition obviously doesn't stand because the CURRENT legal definition of a natural born citizen is a person born under a jurisdiction of a government (ie the country, an embassy, or a military base).
I feel for all those poor unwelcomed children of the military and the diplomatic community who are not welcomed in America because their parents were serving America and its interests abroad.

BTW, your definition doesnt stand. The case for natural born is more complex than your posted definition. I also dont expect much from you though.
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I feel for all those poor unwelcomed children of the military and the diplomatic community who are not welcomed in America because their parents were serving America and its interests abroad.

BTW, your definition doesnt stand. The case for natural born is more complex than your posted definition. I also dont expect much from you though.
If you can't be president you aren't welcome in America? what?
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Where a person is conceived matters not. It's all about location of birth.
I dont put much past NFRS. I dont think he is aware that not all military bases are able to provide services needed for birth. Under his definition those children, born to military members, are not natural born citizens because the military didnt provide the necessary facilities.
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If you can't be president you aren't welcome in America? what?
Those punks arent Americans. Hopefully they get in line like everyone else. No amnesty for them.
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don't confuse him, he's just learning all these big words

edit: There is obvious a good faith argument to be made on both sides of this. However, we should also look to the intent of the natural born citizen wordage...which would suggest that they meant someone born here and not abroad.

And again, the McCain thing as an issue
Considering the meaning of words in the time the document was written and considering that the subject to the jurisdiction proviso was included, it can be argued that what was sought was someone born with allegiance to the United States. Allegiance being a term of art almost, to cover the conditions citizenship at birth.

I don't even know that the matter is settled law. Does anyone have any case law on this?
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If he's born in Canada and not on a US base I fail to see how he qualifies as a natural born citizen even if his mom was an American citizen.
Why does that matter? He's a citizen
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Why does that matter? He's a citizen
Not all citizens can be president
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If he's the right man for the job then I say don't let semantics get in the way.
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If he's the right man for the job then I say don't let semantics get in the way.
We have laws for a reason. I know you guys are all about rule by man...but the system is set up to be rule by law.
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We have laws for a reason. I know you guys are all about rule by man...but the system is set up to be rule by law.
Do you feel the same way towards Obamacare?
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Do you feel the same way towards Obamacare?
I do, and it is a shame that Obama himself doesn't feel the same...
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If he's the right man for the job then I say don't let semantics get in the way.
Figured laws are just semantics to you.
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I feel for all those poor unwelcomed children of the military and the diplomatic community who are not welcomed in America because their parents were serving America and its interests abroad.

BTW, your definition doesnt stand. The case for natural born is more complex than your posted definition. I also dont expect much from you though.
WTF are you babbling about? Who is talking about welcoming anyone or anyone serving interests? You act like it's MY law or something.

My definition is straight out of the blacks law dictionary. If you have another credible definition, by all means post it up.
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Are any of you capable of independent thought? Or do you just regurgitate the same stale, mindless talking points you are fed?
Can you give us some new stale, mindless talking points to regurgitate?

I know you have some. I've seen them.
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Can you give us some new stale, mindless talking points to regurgitate?

I know you have some. I've seen them.
I believe ti317 is black. Seems like you're a racist.
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don't confuse him, he's just learning all these big words

edit: There is obvious a good faith argument to be made on both sides of this. However, we should also look to the intent of the natural born citizen wordage...which would suggest that they meant someone born here and not abroad.

And again, the McCain thing as an issue
Thought he was born on a base in Panama? Thus making him a natural US citizen.
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Funny how Donald Trump is mum about Senator Cruz...

leader of the Birther movement....all quiet on the western front when it comes to a Republican born outside the US.
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