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Old 08-14-2013, 02:43 PM   #41
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The 1st Amendment says nothing about using "proper" English. And considering that you use terms like "jabroni" and fail to speak and write in Old English only goes to show how much respect you actually have for the English language.
They certainly are entitled to freely speak anyway they wish, but IMHO, it's unbecoming of a leader of the US (or his wife) to speak like they are in an alleyway in the Bronx. I certainly don't expect our president to say "aks" (not saying he does.)
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They certainly are entitled to freely speak anyway they wish, but IMHO, it's unbecoming of a leader of the US (or his wife) to speak like they are in an alleyway in the Bronx. I certainly don't expect our president to say "aks" (not saying he does.)
Even in business they teach you... know your audience. If Michelle Obama can better relate to her target demographic then the overall initiative has a better chance of success.

I incorporate slang and "urban" language into my every day conversations with friends or family. But at the end of the day I know to teach my kid "proper" English. If they want to have some fun on their own, so be it. At least they have the proper foundation.

If her album is making kids dumber then we have a bigger problem with parenting and education.



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Even in business they teach you... know your audience. If Michelle Obama can better relate to her target demographic then the overall initiative has a better chance of success.

I incorporate slang and "urban" language into my every day conversations with friends or family. But at the end of the day I know to teach my kid "proper" English. If they want to have some fun on their own, so be it. At least they have the proper foundation.

If her album is making kids dumber then we have a bigger problem with parenting and education.



Of all the things to be uptight about.
I agree with you on a personal level. If the Obamas are out and about, ie vacation, golf, whatever, then yes. If they are representing the nation in their official capacity (irrespective of audience) then it behooves them to speak using proper grammar.

As for business, I don't agree fully. If Warren Buffer was buying a rap record label, I don't expect him to walk into the conference room with a lean, some pep in his step, and ebonics from the lips. Having said that, you can make a joke or two, or even use some funny words (would be funny to hear buffer say "I don't mean to dis anyone in the room" but you still don't change your overall normal behavior. I will agree that pandering to the audience on some level in business is a-ok.

Having said all that, there are many more things I don't like about Obama, and this isn't anywhere NEAR the top of the list.
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Even in business they teach you... know your audience. If Michelle Obama can better relate to her target demographic then the overall initiative has a better chance of success.

I incorporate slang and "urban" language into my every day conversations with friends or family. But at the end of the day I know to teach my kid "proper" English. If they want to have some fun on their own, so be it. At least they have the proper foundation.

If her album is making kids dumber then we have a bigger problem with parenting and education.



Of all the things to be uptight about.
So who is her target market? And if it's inner city individuals who like to aks questions, why isn't she helping out hillbillys and putting together a country album? Wish this president didn't have such resentment of white, middle America. Why do they have to be such racists...


*All said with sarcasm aimed at how MSNBC would explain this had a white president focused an effort like this towards one particular audience. And Evolved, I'm really not all that bent out of shape. I'm more mocking the white house than I am frustrated with their behavior. It's stuff like this that makes this WH -worthy

And mayyyybe, just like with the noble peace prize, the Obamas will win a Grammy for this album prior to its release.
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I agree with you on a personal level. If the Obamas are out and about, ie vacation, golf, whatever, then yes. If they are representing the nation in their official capacity (irrespective of audience) then it behooves them to speak using proper grammar.

As for business, I don't agree fully. If Warren Buffer was buying a rap record label, I don't expect him to walk into the conference room with a lean, some pep in his step, and ebonics from the lips. Having said that, you can make a joke or two, or even use some funny words (would be funny to hear buffer say "I don't mean to dis anyone in the room" but you still don't change your overall normal behavior. I will agree that pandering to the audience on some level in business is a-ok.

Having said all that, there are many more things I don't like about Obama, and this isn't anywhere NEAR the top of the list.


I'm willing to look the other way if this cuts down on the number of fat kids we have running around... or not running around I should say.
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So who is her target market?
Children. Probably a demographic you're not all that familiar with.
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Even in business they teach you... know your audience. If Michelle Obama can better relate to her target demographic then the overall initiative has a better chance of success.

I incorporate slang and "urban" language into my every day conversations with friends or family. But at the end of the day I know to teach my kid "proper" English. If they want to have some fun on their own, so be it. At least they have the proper foundation.

If her album is making kids dumber then we have a bigger problem with parenting and education.



Of all the things to be uptight about.


Very solid point. IMO does it make the White House look somewhat stupid/corny? - Yes...However if the cost to reach the youth on some serious issues is for the White House to look somewhat stupid/corny, I am for it.
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I'm willing to look the other way if this cuts down on the number of fat kids we have running around... or not running around I should say.
You honestly believe this will have ANY effect (Im not even going to give this crap a marginal effect rating) on obese kids?
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You honestly believe this will have ANY effect (Im not even going to give this crap a marginal effect rating) on obese kids?
Is there harm in trying something different?


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You honestly believe this will have ANY effect (Im not even going to give this crap a marginal effect rating) on obese kids?
I haven't delved into it, but I did just hear on NPR today that there was a decrease in the childhood obesity rate for the past year (2012) and an independent study attributed at least a part of that to Mrs. Obama's initiative.



Edit: Schoolhouse Rock seemed to do a good job for some people way back when.
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1. It's embarrassing. As mentioned by others on here, this is just "dumb". Neither our President nor first lady should be "stooping" to something like this to feel they are making a difference.
I'll admit it's silly and not the norm. But why is it "embarrassing". As far as I can tell, it only "embarrasses" people like you - the ultra conservative white elitist male that make mountains out of mole hills. You wonder why the GOP is losing favor. Of all the things to complain about, this is one of them? Really?

I don't see the rest of America being "embarrassed", nor do I see foreign countries talking about how "embarrassing" it is. After a quick google search, its your typical right-wing sites discussing this. Surprise surprise. I highly doubt main stream moderate America even cares.

Frankly, I just think YOU don't like to see the term "rap" and "White House" or "FLOTUS" in the same sentence because its foreign to you.
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So yes, this is a "rap issue".. but it's also a class issue. The White House getting involved with these individuals on this type of project sends the wrong message and makes us look like a joke.
Who are you to decide what "class" is. What is not classy about trying to promote health in a different way....for kids?

I'll bet it is a class issue for you, especially since there is a Democratic minority president in the WH. Had it been a Republican singing red-neck country songs, no problem for you, eh?

I'll even bet you listen to rap too.

Tell you what, I'll buy you an album and at the next local BMW meet such as BimmerFest, I'll discretely place it on your car.

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You honestly believe this will have ANY effect (Im not even going to give this crap a marginal effect rating) on obese kids?
It's a start, kids taking control of their own actions..Better than the government regulating what size soda we can drink.
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You honestly believe this will have ANY effect (Im not even going to give this crap a marginal effect rating) on obese kids?
It not only draws attention to an important issue (i.e., awareness) but it has the potential to impact the lives of some children in a very meaningful way. To do nothing and to not explore all ones options would signify defeat. And here in America we don't take kindly to defeat.

The United States and the White House for that matter is not going to lose any credibility over this matter. It pales in comparison to more pressing issues in the world of national security, privacy rights and economics.

I support the effort. I support other efforts like Move 360. Ask yourself... what have you done to help a fat kid lose some weight an improve their health?

Exactly... so don't be so quick to demonize those who are actually trying to help.
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I'm not sure that this program is any more embarrassing or tone-deaf than Nancy Reagan's whole "Just Say No" anti-drug initiative back in the day.
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It not only draws attention to an important issue (i.e., awareness) but it has the potential to impact the lives of some children in a very meaningful way. To do nothing and to not explore all ones options would signify defeat. And here in America we don't take kindly to defeat.

The United States and the White House for that matter is not going to lose any credibility over this matter. It pales in comparison to more pressing issues in the world of national security, privacy rights and economics.

I support the effort. I support other efforts like Move 360. Ask yourself... what have you done to help a fat kid lose some weight an improve their health?

Exactly... so don't be so quick to demonize those who are actually trying to help.
I do my job as a parent and make sure my daughter eats right and does lots of activities. If you want to live in some utopian bubble of yours where a rap album is going to help chunky kids who's parents don't give a rats ass about their well being and will feed them fried food right after they finish listening to said album then be my guest, but stop using meaningless terms like "raise awareness." Want to help fat kids? Call out the deadbeat parents that let their kids eat crap and sit on the couch playing video games all day.


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I'm not sure that this program is any more embarrassing or tone-deaf than Nancy Reagan's whole "Just Say No" anti-drug initiative back in the day.
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I do my job as a parent and make sure my daughter eats right and does lots of activities. If you want to live in some utopian bubble of yours where a rap album is going to help chunky kids who's parents don't give a rats ass about their well being and will feed them fried food right after they finish listening to said album then be my guest, but stop using meaningless terms like "raise awareness." Want to help fat kids? Call out the deadbeat parents that let their kids eat crap and sit on the couch playing video games all day.


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I don't dispute the fact there are dead beat parents in this country, nor am I defending them. I too believe in personal accountability.

But it's through education and therefore "raising awareness" that people learn how to change behavior. Does it always work? No because as you said, there are irresponsible people and as you put it, dead beats. But if you can raise awareness and affect some to change, what's the harm?

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I do my job as a parent and make sure my daughter eats right and does lots of activities. If you want to live in some utopian bubble of yours where a rap album is going to help chunky kids who's parents don't give a rats ass about their well being and will feed them fried food right after they finish listening to said album then be my guest, but stop using meaningless terms like "raise awareness." Want to help fat kids? Call out the deadbeat parents that let their kids eat crap and sit on the couch playing video games all day.
Reductio ad absurdum at it's finest. Hopefully the White House releases an album to bring awareness to the toxicity of such thinking because your daughter certainly isn't going to learn it from you
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I'm not sure that this program is any more embarrassing or tone-deaf than Nancy Reagan's whole "Just Say No" anti-drug initiative back in the day.
Hate to say it, but that sht worked for me. I was SO anti drug when I was younger, I'd actually yell at guys in my band for smoking pot. Effective propaganda, I'd say.

As for this, whatever. You have to try to reach the kids somehow. Attempting to relate in some way could be effective.

Also, I think trends and society in general are heading towards healthier living. These days EVERYONE is a gym rat, I liked it a lot better when it was just me.
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