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Old 08-14-2013, 05:24 PM   #61
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I don't dispute the fact there are dead beat parents in this country, nor am I defending them. I too believe in personal accountability.

But it's through education and therefore "raising awareness" that people learn how to change behavior. Does it always work? No because as you said, there are irresponsible people and as you put it, dead beats. But if you can raise awareness and affect some to change, what's the harm?
I'd rather them raise awareness of the violence in Chicago. How about addressing the alarming teen birthrate? how about addressing the out of wedlock birthrate? How about addressing the terrible graduation rates in the inner cities? I don't care what she does, but claiming this has influence over the target audience (teens) is laughable.


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I'd rather them raise awareness of the violence in Chicago. How about addressing the alarming teen birthrate? how about addressing the out of wedlock birthrate? How about addressing the terrible graduation rates in the inner cities? I don't care what she does, but claiming this has influence over the target audience (teens) is laughable.


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there's no arguing that, but I guess health and obesity is what she's passionate about and feels she can contribute.

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Old 08-14-2013, 05:37 PM   #63
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Hate to say it, but that sht worked for me. I was SO anti drug when I was younger, I'd actually yell at guys in my band for smoking pot. Effective propaganda, I'd say.

As for this, whatever. You have to try to reach the kids somehow. Attempting to relate in some way could be effective.

Also, I think trends and society in general are heading towards healthier living. These days EVERYONE is a gym rat, I liked it a lot better when it was just me.
I'm glad it worked for you. I hope that this program will wind up working for someone as well. Like you said--it's not going to resonate with everyone, but I appreciate the fact that this appears to be a sincere, genuine effort on Michelle Obama's part to do something about the problem.
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I'm glad it worked for you. I hope that this program will wind up working for someone as well. Like you said--it's not going to resonate with everyone, but I appreciate the fact that this appears to be a sincere, genuine effort on Michelle Obama's part to do something about the problem.
Now if only the government could roll out courses in parenting 101...
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Now if only the government could roll out courses in parenting 101...
should they do it in a streamline process, with "products" and "services" ?
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Now if only the government could roll out courses in parenting 101...
They definitely exist. Normally they are mandated for parents who are facing the loss of their kids to foster homes.
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I'd rather them raise awareness of the violence in Chicago. How about addressing the alarming teen birthrate? how about addressing the out of wedlock birthrate? How about addressing the terrible graduation rates in the inner cities? I don't care what she does, but claiming this has influence over the target audience (teens) is laughable.


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The teen birth rate is at a historical low point, if I'm recalling my stats right.

Also, what proof to you have to back up your last claim that I bolded? Why won't this work when other educational campaigns have worked?

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While it would be off base to attribute all, or even a good chunk, of this decline to the Let's Move Campaign, is it so far off in your mind that an educational campaign could possibly....educate? *gasp*
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should it do it in a streamline process, with "products" and "services" ?
Sure. Government could make more moolah by charging a la carte.

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They definitely exist. Normally they are mandated for parents who are facing the loss of their kids to foster homes.
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The teen birth rate is at a historical low point, if I'm recalling my stats right.

Also, what proof to you have to back up your last claim that I bolded? Why won't this work when other educational campaigns have worked?



While it would be off base to attribute all, or even a good chunk, of this decline to the Let's Move Campaign, is it so far off in your mind that an educational campaign could possibly....educate? *gasp*
Your stats are right. The OVERALL teen birthrate is down. The teen birthrate in certain precincts is still very high, as well as out of wedlock births.

As for your other point, I do not believe the government, a celebrity, or any other public figure has the ability to change minds and attitudes of young people. That can only be done in school, at home, and friends. All of that starts at home. Parents need to play an integral part in their kid's life, watch who their friends are, monitor their activities, monitor their TV watching, etc. If ALL of that isn't done, no rap album is going to do a damn thing, and if it IS all done, then the album is moot. This is nothing more than my personal opinion and belief.
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As for your other point, I do not believe the government, a celebrity, or any other public figure has the ability to change minds and attitudes of young people. That can only be done in school, at home, and friends. All of that starts at home. Parents need to play an integral part in their kid's life, watch who their friends are, monitor their activities, monitor their TV watching, etc. If ALL of that isn't done, no rap album is going to do a damn thing, and if it IS all done, then the album is moot. This is nothing more than my personal opinion and belief.
I believe in parenting and all - and all the things you touched on, but you really believe government figures, celebrities, etc don't play a role in influencing the youth? Role models even?

You mean to tell me youth, kids, don't aspire to be like people they admire?

My parents raised me right, but I was also influenced by mentors, role models, etc.

Sorry, I respectfully disagree with you there.

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I believe in parenting and all, but you really believe government figures, celebrities, etc don't play a role in influencing the youth? Role models even?

You mean to tell me youth, kids, don't aspire to be like people they admire?

My parents raised me right, but I was also influenced by mentors, role models, etc.

Sorry, I respectfully disagree with you there.
Positive influence adds to parental influence, which is why kids aspire to be Michael Jordan, DiCaprio, whatever. When I was growing up, I looked up to certain people not because of their message (politics and crap) but what they did. Negative influence is due to LACK of parental guidance. A kid with parents that have strong discipline, monitor their kids, punish them, etc, is less likely to be influenced by negative forces, since if the parents are doing their job, they can squash it. If parents are MIA, then the negative influence will take over.

As far as kids and teens go, being tubby is already social punishment. Kids get teased, ridiculed, bullied, etc because of it. Some will do whatever it takes to lose the pounds, some remain the same. If that didn't change their attitude, no album is.
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Positive influence adds to parental influence, which is why kids aspire to be Michael Jordan, DiCaprio, whatever. When I was growing up, I looked up to certain people not because of their message (politics and crap) but what they did. Negative influence is due to LACK of parental guidance. A kid with parents that have strong discipline, monitor their kids, punish them, etc, is less likely to be influenced by negative forces, since if the parents are doing their job, they can squash it. If parents are MIA, then the negative influence will take over.

As far as kids and teens go, being tubby is already social punishment. Kids get teased, ridiculed, bullied, etc because of it. Some will do whatever it takes to lose the pounds, some remain the same. If that didn't change their attitude, no album is.
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I believe in parenting and all - and all the things you touched on, but you really believe government figures, celebrities, etc don't play a role in influencing the youth? Role models even?

You mean to tell me youth, kids, don't aspire to be like people they admire?

My parents raised me right, but I was also influenced by mentors, role models, etc.

Sorry, I respectfully disagree with you there.
I always thought people like George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Francis Crick, James Watson, Marcus Aurelius, Henry Ford, Eisenhower, Einstein, you know the greats, were brillant individuals that everyone should lend recognition to. Their contributions to mankind and society inspired me. Celebrities and actors to me, and still are, meaningless.
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I always thought people like George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Francis Crick, James Watson, Marcus Aurelius, Henry Ford, Eisenhower, Einstein, you know the greats, were brillant individuals that everyone should lend recognition to. Their contributions to mankind and society inspired me. Celebrities and actors to me, and still are, meaningless.
While they are meaningless to you and me, many still look up to them (some for the right, some for the wrong reasons.) No one looked up to Michael Jordan as a husband. Kids "generally" don't know the beliefs of figures, usually they are only aware of their career stuff (ie MJ was a basketball god). While I would love for my daughter to have similar personal heros as me (Ranulph Fiennes for instance), I don't see anything wrong with her looking up to some singer or some actress, so long as she looks up to their work, not their thoughts. If a certain celeb or figure has thoughts you as a parent agree with, and agree that it is a positive message, you can bring it up to them ie DiCaprio and his green environmental stuff. You can also bring up the negatives ie Amy Winehouse or Wesley Snipes, and use them as examples as well.
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I wish Obama could get elected a 3rd time so Chase would kill himself out of frustration.
wait until 2016 when Hillary gets elected. super rustles commence
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wait until 2016 when Hillary gets elected. super rustles commence
That's not true, according to you guys he'll be happy there is a white person in office. There will be harmony once again, because all opposition to Obama is due to the color of his skin...remember???????
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That's not true, according to you guys he'll be happy there is a white person in office. There will be harmony once again, because all opposition to Obama is due to the color of his skin...remember???????
OT will find a way to make him a misogynist too. Or he'll do that to himself.


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OT will find a way to make him a misogynist too.
I actually can't wait for the "you hate women" attacks, it will be hilarious...especially coming from the people that called Sarah Palin every misogynistic name in the book.

"That's different, she deserved it"

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