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Old 08-21-2013, 01:57 PM   #1
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Opposition says as many as 1,300 killed in gas attack near Damascus

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http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...97K0EL20130821

Is this really happening in 2013? WTF!?

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If the cause of death and the scale of the killing were confirmed, it would be the worst known use of chemical weapons since Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein gassed thousands of Kurds in the town of Halabja in 1988.
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Let the rest of the world do something about it for a change.
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Let the Middle East, GCC, and Arab League do something about it for a change.
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Let the rest of the world do something about it for a change.
Yes, but who and what? The US don't necessarily have to intervene militarily, but diplomatically the administration could persuade the Germans or French or work with the Russians in order to get something done.
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Yes, but who and what?
It's not our job to figure that out. Let Russia handle it.
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Yes, but who and what? The US don't necessarily have to intervene militarily, but diplomatically the administration could persuade the Germans or French or work with the Russians in order to get something done.
I'd say the GCC, Arab League should do something about it and intervene. Similar to how Africa as the African Union and can form a coalition of troops and peacekeepers as they did for Somalia, why can't Middle Eastern countries do the same? They complain about US/Western presence and influence in the region anyways.... well, this is an opportunity for them to take care of regional house cleaning

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Terry Pratchett - "I wouldn't trust you with a bucket of water if my knickers were on

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It's not our job to figure that out. Let Russia handle it.
To paraphrase Terry Pratchett, I wouldn't trust Russia with a bucket of water if my knickers were on fire.

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I'd say the GCC, Arab League should do something about it and intervene. Similar to how Africa as the African Union and can form a coalition of troops and peacekeepers as they did for Somalia, why can't Middle Eastern countries do the same?
I still think that the international community should involve the region in talks and make them take a position, whichever position that might be.

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They complain about US/Western presence and influence in the region anyways.... well, this is an opportunity for them to take care of regional house cleaning
Agreed.
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To paraphrase Terry Pratchett, I wouldn't trust Russia with a bucket of water if my knickers were on fire.
Let Russia worry about that.
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Yes, but who and what? The US don't necessarily have to intervene militarily, but diplomatically the administration could persuade the Germans or French or work with the Russians in order to get something done.
Why should the Germans have to do anything? They're bailing out Europe and they've been in Afghanistan with us. If anyone should be able to say fvuck it with us it should be them and the Brits.

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Honest, ignorant question: what has the US gained in influence in the region so far with our interventions? It seems like no matter what we do in the ME, everyone hates us.
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Honest, ignorant question: what has the US gained in influence in the region so far with our interventions? It seems like no matter what we do in the ME, everyone hates us.
My thoughts too. It's a double edged sword. Iraq continues to have sectarian violence. Iran, well we know how that turned out after backing the Shah and getting Mossedeq out of power.

Arab Islamists, for the most part, are opposed to the West. It's like we are damned if we do, damned if we don't.

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Yes, but who and what? The US don't necessarily have to intervene militarily, but diplomatically the administration could persuade the Germans or French or work with the Russians in order to get something done.
Sometimes I wonder if you're too soft or confused about your views on life. It's understandable to care and feel empathy but at some point you have to know when to say no. Nobody is promised tomorrow. Humans are exterminated before they have a chance to prove their existence...i.e. abortion. Why the hell do you care people are dying on the other side of the world? We all live and die. When our time comes, it comes.
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Sometimes I wonder if you're too soft or confused about your views on life. It's understandable to care and feel empathy but at some point you have to know when to say no. Nobody is promised tomorrow. Humans are exterminated before they have a chance to prove their existence...i.e. abortion. Why the hell do you care people are dying on the other side of the world? We all live and die. When our time comes, it comes.
A bit morbid, but well said and I agree.
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Why should the Germans have to do anything? They're bailing out Europe and they've been in Afghanistan with us. If anyone should be able to say fvuck it with us it should be them and the Brits.
Germany isn't bailing out Europe out of the goodness of their hearts. They're doing it because it's the economically smart thing to do.
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Honest, ignorant question: what has the US gained in influence in the region so far with our interventions? It seems like no matter what we do in the ME, everyone hates us.
Lately, little? Prior to that, allies, money. Look at the US/Saudi relationship.
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Sometimes I wonder if you're too soft or confused about your views on life.
I'm a softie. But I'm also confused. If you're not confused, you're wrong.
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It's understandable to care and feel empathy but at some point you have to know when to say no. Nobody is promised tomorrow. Humans are exterminated before they have a chance to prove their existence...i.e. abortion. Why the hell do you care people are dying on the other side of the world? We all live and die. When our time comes, it comes.
Very philosophical, but shallow. Our world has reached a level of interconnectedness where we can't just live and let live/die. Rules about chemical weapons go back to WWI, and Syria may not have been a signee, but the international community should stand up for what is right, because if they don't, what is the purpose of governance?

At the risk of breaking Godwin's Law, would you have intervened in WWII? Why or why not? Concentration camps , schmontentration camps! People die every day, right?
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Lately, little? Prior to that, allies, money. Look at the US/Saudi relationship.
I should have clarified that I meant lately. Perhaps that's part of the problem. Back when the US began messing around in the ME they dealt with and propped up people who were basically dictators. That kind of stuff doesn't seem to fly so well anymore.
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I should have clarified that I meant lately. Perhaps that's part of the problem. Back when the US began messing around in the ME they dealt with and propped up people who were basically dictators. That kind of stuff doesn't seem to fly so well anymore.
It doesn't. I guess one could say that lately all it has amounted to is poking a bee's nest with a stick. Maybe someone should think of a more intelligent approach?

Furthermore, I think the US should get heavily involved in Africa. In the coming decades, Africa might become both an area of production and consumption. As an American, I'd like to think they'd embrace American ideas and goods more than Chinese or British ones.
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Very philosophical, but shallow. Our world has reached a level of interconnectedness where we can't just live and let live/die. Rules about chemical weapons go back to WWI, and Syria may not have been a signee, but the international community should stand up for what is right, because if they don't, what is the purpose of governance?

At the risk of breaking Godwin's Law, would you have intervened in WWII? Why or why not? Concentration camps , schmontentration camps! People die every day, right?
Eh I'm a little buzzed from the many glasses of wine I had on my flight. Excuse my harshness and perhaps rudeness depending on how it was perceived. Somebody has to play devil's advocate.

Anyhow I care very deeply for the well-being of people...up to and including abortions. I don't disagree with the act, but I find it agitating and perceive a lack of misunderstanding and caring for life outside of one's own if it is used in a manner as a means for birth control. I.e. self interests and selfishness with a lack of self-responsibility.

Hopefully my opinion can be respected. I would intervene if even your life was in danger 'busa by the unethical acts of others. Should be able to figure out my stance on WWII.
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Eh I'm a little buzzed from the many glasses of wine I had on my flight. Excuse my harshness and perhaps rudeness depending on how it was perceived. Somebody has to play devil's advocate.

Anyhow I care very deeply for the well-being of people...up to and including abortions. I don't disagree with the act, but I find it agitating and perceive a lack of misunderstanding and caring for life outside of one's own if it is used in a manner as a means for birth control. I.e. self interests and selfishness with a lack of self-responsibility.

Hopefully my opinion can be respected. I would intervene if even your life was in danger 'busa by the unethical acts of others. Should be able to figure out my stance on WWII.
After reading your latest reply I've concluded that ONE of us MUST be drunk. Either it's you, or I've discovered an effortless, cost free, and totally passive method to get inebriated.
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