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Old 08-25-2013, 01:22 AM   #1
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Steering wheel shake

I have insane brake wobble and it's very uncomfortable and feels highly unsafe and also some wobble when speeding up as well as a feeling as if my wheel drags when I brake


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Old 08-25-2013, 01:55 AM   #2
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Old 08-25-2013, 02:14 AM   #3
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Re: Steering wheel shake

Are you hearing something like clunking noise, under light brake pressure? Also, at what speed does your steering wheel begin to shake? Above 55?

If so it could be multiple things... but if you can confirm the above, my guess would be: worn lower ball joints and fcabs. If those are the problems, get those fixed asap! It's really unsafe to be driving.

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Old 08-25-2013, 03:59 AM   #4
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Old 08-25-2013, 04:12 AM   #5
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Likely you have many issues.

Warped brake rotors, bad lower control arm bushings and bent/out of balance wheels.

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Old 08-25-2013, 06:27 AM   #6
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what the above users said can be the cause
but also keep in mind the steering coupler or guibo
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Old 08-25-2013, 11:16 AM   #7
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Are you hearing something like clunking noise, under light brake pressure? Also, at what speed does your steering wheel begin to shake? Above 55?

If so it could be multiple things... but if you can confirm the above, my guess would be: worn lower ball joints and fcabs. If those are the problems, get those fixed asap! It's really unsafe to be driving.

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Yes a light clunking noise as if my steering rack is hitting something & yea above that


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what the above users said can be the cause
but also keep in mind the steering coupler or guibo
How could I diagnose the problem and what would be the problem with each


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How could I diagnose the problem and what would be the problem with each
Your best bet is to get underneath your car and just push and pull on everything related to steering and visually inspect the joints for cracked rubber or something. If there is any play in one of those parts you can be sure that its bad.

Also, quoted from someone else: lift the tire off of the ground and test for play at 12 and 6, and also test for vertical play -- see if the wheel moves up an down. Pushing and pulling at 12 and 6 tests for in and out play normally associated with ball joints, pushing up tests for play in the steering knuckle, and pushing and pulling at 9 and 3 tests for steering rack and tie rods.

A bad guibo (I think) is when there is play in your steering wheel while driving. You can move the steering wheel left and right, but the car still goes straight?

*edit brake rotors also, as others have said.


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Old 08-25-2013, 01:17 PM   #10
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If the steering wheel wobbles only under braking, it's a warped rotor. If it wobbles when you're driving, especially around the 45-65MPH mark, it's a wheel. The problem there is, it could be many things. Off-balance, bent wheel, broken tire belt, who knows. You need to get the wheel off and start inspecting.

If it wobbles during both, you have both problems.

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Old 08-25-2013, 01:18 PM   #11
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Your best bet is to get underneath your car and just push and pull on everything related to steering and visually inspect the joints for cracked rubber or something. If there is any play in one of those parts you can be sure that its bad.

Also, quoted from someone else: lift the tire off of the ground and test for play at 12 and 6, and also test for vertical play -- see if the wheel moves up an down. Pushing and pulling at 12 and 6 tests for in and out play normally associated with ball joints, pushing up tests for play in the steering knuckle, and pushing and pulling at 9 and 3 tests for steering rack and tie rods.

A bad guibo (I think) is when there is play in your steering wheel while driving. You can move the steering wheel left and right, but the car still goes straight?

*edit brake rotors also, as others have said.


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Alright so I need new rotors and bushings as of now will definately inspect the flex disc


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Old 08-25-2013, 02:03 PM   #12
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Re: Steering wheel shake

You don't need new rotors unless they are completely worn. Some auto shops can smooth out your current rotors for you, if possible. Just have them checked.

As for the other problems, if you're not comfortable with your inspection abilities, take it to an independent shop and have then check your front end/suspension to make sure everything is ok. (or bmw, but do the work elsewhere)

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Old 08-26-2013, 09:10 PM   #13
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You don't need new rotors unless they are completely worn. Some auto shops can smooth out your current rotors for you, if possible. Just have them checked.

As for the other problems, if you're not comfortable with your inspection abilities, take it to an independent shop and have then check your front end/suspension to make sure everything is ok. (or bmw, but do the work elsewhere)

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I'm actually licensed for inspections but I don't have a lift at my house so when I go to school tmm I will use it and check it out


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Old 08-26-2013, 09:12 PM   #14
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Re: Steering wheel shake

I had the same issue in my M. Replaced pads and rotors. No more shake :-) feels a lot more legit on track days!

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I have play but not shake. So i'm looking more towards fcab?
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If the steering wheel wobbles only under braking, it's a warped rotor. If it wobbles when you're driving, especially around the 45-65MPH mark, it's a wheel. The problem there is, it could be many things. Off-balance, bent wheel, broken tire belt, who knows. You need to get the wheel off and start inspecting.

If it wobbles during both, you have both problems.
If it wobbles under braking it could also be the fcabs. One of the first signs that they absolutely need to be replaced is a slight wobble while braking.
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I have play but not shake. So i'm looking more towards fcab?
I have both


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If it wobbles under braking it could also be the fcabs. One of the first signs that they absolutely need to be replaced is a slight wobble while braking.
I will replace all bushing then and check balance and such


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Re: Steering wheel shake

There's no knocking/clunking noise right, just the wobble during breaking?

I just don't want you to make the same mistake I did and just replace the FCABs, only to find out later during alignment that the LCA ball joints were also shot. So I had to take off brand new FCABs and put them on my new control arms, which can be long and a PITA without an impact.
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There's no knocking/clunking noise right, just the wobble during breaking?

I just don't want you to make the same mistake I did and just replace the FCABs, only to find out later during alignment that the LCA ball joints were also shot. So I had to take off brand new FCABs and put them on my new control arms, which can be long and a PITA without an impact.
I've diagnosed the problem in school I need new ball joints right lca & bellows boots inner tie rod end & tire balance and alignment with rotors & pads


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