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The BMW E46 ///M3 is the M version E46 and puts out an amazing 333 HP and 262 lb-ft of torque at stock specs! There are an amazing amount of modifications for both the coupe and convertible models so read up and get started modifying your cars today!

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Old 09-09-2013, 05:16 PM   #1
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Is it a ZCP?

My apologies if this is already in a thread. Searched and couldn't find it:

How do you know if it's a real ZCP and not one that someone put some wheels/suspension/steering wheel/etc? Code slot in the VIN?

I let my '02 go and decided life was waaaaaay better with it so I want to get back into the game with an '05 or an '06 and want to avoid any confusion.

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Old 09-09-2013, 05:31 PM   #2
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You can decode the VIN at BMWVIN.com. Any packages and options will be listed there - competition package is 95% aesthetics anyway, don't act too highly upon it.
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Old 09-10-2013, 12:17 PM   #3
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VIN#, different wheels, the steering wheel will only have one button, im pretty sure they were all SMGs.
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Old 09-10-2013, 12:43 PM   #4
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VIN#, different wheels, the steering wheel will only have one button, im pretty sure they were all SMGs.
The steering wheel is a pretty good indicator as it will have an M-track mode button instead of radio controls.

They were NOT all SMG's.

The tighter steering ratio is one benefit that isn't cosmetic as well. Also, the rotors are a larger diameter and are drilled so they will cool a little easier and dissipate heat more effectively than the standard rotors.
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Old 09-10-2013, 08:42 PM   #5
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M-track steering wheel. zcp wheels ( csl ). In the inner wheel it should say bbs. slotted drilled rotors. upgraded calipers.
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Old 09-10-2013, 09:10 PM   #6
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VIN#, different wheels, the steering wheel will only have one button, im pretty sure they were all SMGs.
got a 6speed zcp here.
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Old 09-11-2013, 12:14 PM   #7
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They are way more than just cosmetic. The steering is tighter, it's stops better... and the wheels are some of the best looking for the model. All that alone is worth getting a zcp. Not the mention the alcantara parts. You can retro fit cruise control (only down side). I needed to get one, when I picked mine up, as I came from a zhp.
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Old 09-11-2013, 12:34 PM   #8
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6MT ZCP here....... Also NOT upgraded calipers, just the hanger that mounts the Calipers to clear the 1" larger drilled rotor.
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Old 09-11-2013, 01:11 PM   #9
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6MT ZCP here....... Also NOT upgraded calipers, just the hanger that mounts the Calipers to clear the 1" larger drilled rotor.
Actually the rear calipers have larger piston size to account for altered brake bias from larger front rotors.

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Old 09-11-2013, 02:16 PM   #10
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Some other differences:

Alcantara steering wheel, e-brake handle and shift boot (6MT).
Aluminum cube interior trim.

Also, Interlagos Blue was a ZCP exclusive color.
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They are way more than just cosmetic. The steering is tighter, it's stops better... and the wheels are some of the best looking for the model. All that alone is worth getting a zcp. Not the mention the alcantara parts. You can retro fit cruise control (only down side). I needed to get one, when I picked mine up, as I came from a zhp.
Never said it was only cosmetics - 95% of it is. Steering ratio is nothing big. ZCP brakes are actually worse than the stock brakes.
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Never said it was only cosmetics - 95% of it is. Steering ratio is nothing big. ZCP brakes are actually worse than the stock brakes.
Only on '05 and '06 M3's the ZCP came as an option, right? Are you saying that the ZCP owners paid too much for their cars. Also, how come others are trying to pattern their cars on the ZCP's if the features on them didn't matter as much as stated by you, Sir. With all due respect, is your opinion influenced by what you drive or just blindly trying to be contrary?


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Old 09-11-2013, 09:36 PM   #13
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Only on '05 and '06 M3's the ZCP came as an option, right? Are you saying that the ZCP owners paid too much for their cars. Also, how come others are trying to pattern their cars on the ZCP's if the features on them didn't matter as much as stated by you, Sir. With all due respect, is your opinion influenced by what you drive or just blindly trying to be contrary?


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Steezy is correct in his assertion that ZCP was an option package that was 95% appearance over performance.

The slightly different steering ratio makes no real difference. And ZCP brakes are no better. Not even a little. But people like the LOOKS of drilled rotors - even though they are susceptible to spider cracking if pushed hard (like track days)

Spiffy steering wheel wrap. Different wheels.

FACT: BMW created the ZCP option for a single purpose - which is well known and documented: To keep cars selling late in their production life when sales are expected to sag. So you give it is sexy name like "Competition Package" which paints the illusion of faster - without actually coming out and saying that it is and add options which do no change the basic model's performance. And history shows that the cool looking option works to some degree for folks that enjoy the cosmetic differences.

There isn't anything wrong with ZCP. But some folks romanticize it to to the point of believing that it actually changes the basic M3s performance in some way, which it doesn't. And of course - BMW never said that it did.
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Just like the bickering between SMG and 6MT owners, people hate on what they don't have. BMW owners are extra sensitive to these comments for reasons I have yet to understand. If you like your zcp, a statement by someone who doesnt have zcp shouldn't effect you in anyway. I know I like my competition package with tighter steering, bigger brakes, and butter smooth alcantara steering wheel. Oh and the interlagos blue exterior which we all know is the fastest color by far

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Only on '05 and '06 M3's the ZCP came as an option, right? Are you saying that the ZCP owners paid too much for their cars. Also, how come others are trying to pattern their cars on the ZCP's if the features on them didn't matter as much as stated by you, Sir. With all due respect, is your opinion influenced by what you drive or just blindly trying to be contrary?


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Steezy is correct in his assertion that ZCP was an option package that was 95% appearance over performance.

The slightly different steering ratio makes no real difference. And ZCP brakes are no better. Not even a little. But people like the LOOKS of drilled rotors - even though they are susceptible to spider cracking if pushed hard (like track days)

Spiffy steering wheel wrap. Different wheels.

FACT: BMW created the ZCP option for a single purpose - which is well known and documented: To keep cars selling late in their production life when sales are expected to sag. So you give it is sexy name like "Competition Package" which paints the illusion of faster - without actually coming out and saying that it is and add options which do no change the basic model's performance. And history shows that the cool looking option works to some degree for fols that enjoy the cosmetic differences.

There isn't anything wrong with ZCP. But some folks romanticize it to to the point of believing that it actually changes the basic M3s performance in some way, which it doesn't. And of course - BMW never said that it did.
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Steezy is correct in his assertion that ZCP was an option package that was 95% appearance over performance.
The slightly different steering ratio makes no real difference. And ZCP brakes are no better. Not even a little. But people like the LOOKS of drilled rotors - even though they are susceptible to spider cracking if pushed hard (like track days)
Spiffy steering wheel wrap. Different wheels.
FACT: BMW created the ZCP option for a single purpose - which is well known and documented: To keep cars selling late in their production life when sales are expected to sag.
There isn't anything wrong with ZCP. But some folks romanticize it to to the point of believing that it actually changes the basic M3s performance in some way, which it doesn't. And of course - BMW never said that it did.
well some of this i can agree with but most of it i can't. for the reasons i will state and see if you agree.
Brakes are infact better. several magazines testings shown these same CSL brakes to stop even better than the 911 GT3. these aren't thrown together, these are larger, lighter and floating hat design. these are proven to have shorter stopping and were installed again on which car..the CSL. which as we know is ///M divisions upgrade to the M3.
Steering rack, again it is a better feel. it again wasn't just pieced together to be different, it was made for/designed for again..the CSL. and personally having gone from without it to having it.. it does feel better.
Wheels, again these are BBS Germany, good wheel and better(arguably) than the other stockers. although the fronts are 0.5" thinner..again developed for the CSL. (sure i know there are many debates on 19" wheels, i concede that)
M-Track mode. haven't programmed my car for it but having driven it i do like the less intrusive activation. again a fourth "performance upgrade".
one could agrue the cloth seats are lighter and keep you from sliding. but i will leave that one and the other stuff to the "looks" as you said.
so i don't quite see the 95% of the package as looks. sure there are better aftermarket options, but these from the factory have the fit and finish one would expect from ///M.

so i don't see this package just put together to gussy it up, these parts do have their merits.
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well some of this i can agree with but most of it i can't. for the reasons i will state and see if you agree.
Brakes are infact better. several magazines testings shown these same CSL brakes to stop even better than the 911 GT3. these aren't thrown together, these are larger, lighter and floating hat design. these are proven to have shorter stopping and were installed again on which car..the CSL. which as we know is ///M divisions upgrade to the M3.
Steering rack, again it is a better feel. it again wasn't just pieced together to be different, it was made for/designed for again..the CSL. and personally having gone from without it to having it.. it does feel better.
Wheels, again these are BBS Germany, good wheel and better(arguably) than the other stockers. although the fronts are 0.5" thinner..again developed for the CSL. (sure i know there are many debates on 19" wheels, i concede that)
M-Track mode. haven't programmed my car for it but having driven it i do like the less intrusive activation. again a fourth "performance upgrade".
one could agrue the cloth seats are lighter and keep you from sliding. but i will leave that one and the other stuff to the "looks" as you said.
so i don't quite see the 95% of the package as looks. sure there are better aftermarket options, but these from the factory have the fit and finish one would expect from ///M.

so i don't see this package just put together to gussy it up, these parts do have their merits.
There was no difference in 60-0 stopping times or distances between ZCP & non-ZCP M3's. The cross-drilling acts like (for lack of a better term) a cheese grater, keeping the pads clean. If you think about it, there is actually less surface area and thermal mass in cross drilled vs. "standard" rotors.

They look cool but I suspect it has a lot more to do with marketing and consumer perception that actual performance benefit in the real world.
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There was no difference in 60-0 stopping times or distances between ZCP & non-ZCP M3's. The cross-drilling acts like (for lack of a better term) a cheese grater, keeping the pads clean. If you think about it, there is actually less surface area and thermal mass in cross drilled vs. "standard" rotors.

They look cool but I suspect it has a lot more to do with marketing and consumer perception that actual performance benefit in the real world.

Just wanted to clarify some misinformation in your reply. Whats ur understanding of the equation to calculate surface area?

Cross drilled rotor does indeed have increased surface area compared to plain rotors. Each hole increases surface area because more area of the whole rotor, not just one surface of the rotor, is exposed to atmospheric air thus helping heat dissipation. While it does have less surface contact with the pads, it certainly has more surface area for heat dissipation than plain rotors. With the increased rotor size, the thermal mass is actually equal or greater than non-zcp rotors. Now if you want to argue that cross drilled rotor has decreased structural integrity, I will agree with you. However, u should get your "facts" straight.

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There was no difference in 60-0 stopping times or distances between ZCP & non-ZCP M3's.
They look cool but I suspect it has a lot more to do with marketing and consumer perception that actual performance benefit in the real world.
it looks like you only have an exception to one of the four I listed. but for the record are you saying the CSL brakes are not an upgrade over the standard USA M3 brakes?
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it looks like you only have an exception to one of the four I listed. but for the record are you saying the CSL brakes are not an upgrade over the standard USA M3 brakes?


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