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Old 09-30-2013, 04:41 PM   #81
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Your statement is correct based on an assumption that has not come to fruition. My statement is correct based on the present situation.


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And your statement is correct based on an assumption that also has not come to fruition. Unless I've stepped into a time warp, the clock hath not struck 12 kind sir.
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Old 09-30-2013, 05:11 PM   #82
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Nice try, slick. To the minor extent it was "grown from conservative ideological soil" the concept of the individual mandate was killed with Round-Up and fire before ever being consider seriously by the GOP. The Dems own this monstrosity, period.
That Roundup must have only been applied after Romney farmed up his ACA-clone in MA. And ACA-like health care policy was alive and well in the GOP certainly throughout the '90's -- Dole campaigned on "individual responsibility," as I believe the GOP labled the individual mandate -- so that weed apparently was a pretty flower up until a certain BAH thought it pletty too, at which point it instantly became a GOP weed.

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And yes, ACA is a monstrosity - a fact that was knowable before it was passed (ok, maybe not since no one was allowed to read it) and is knowable right now if you bother reading anything about its disastrous implementation.
A GOP talking point/bumper-sticker/belief-point little rooted in reality. Its implementation, while hardly flawness -- no human endeavor of this scale is -- is going generally well despite all the GOP/TP efforts to undermine it at every turn.

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The only defenses you and other ACA fans will be able to offer will be the usual, well it was worth a try, and it wouldn't have failed it those evil capitalists didn't cut everyone back to 29.5 hours (as if no one could see THAT coming!), or if the insurance companies/doctors/hospitals/medical device manufacturers hadn't insisted on making profits (shame on them), or if those 24-yr-olds had signed up for insurance they didn't want or need (didn't see that coming either?), or if the GOP - while controlling only the House - hadn't fought so hard and made us mess up, or blah, blah, but at least we tried....
Actually, at this point, even a many, even a majority(?) of folks negative about ACA want either to keep it (give it a try in your parlance) or work on it to improve it. Only a minority wants to get rid of it altogether and far fewer approve oh how the GOP/TP is going about trying to get rid of it.

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Yes, you go on feeling good about your compassionate "try" that will ultimately give the 1% the best medical system in the world (because only they can afford direct payment to the doctors who were good enough and smart enough to go underground) and the other 99% of us the worst medical system in the modernized world because, Obamacare.
Well, we certainly wouldn't want compassion to get mixed up in a discussion about health care, but what proposal has the GOP offered that would cover the tens of millions not even covered by insurance? Yes, the 1% can afford pretty much any health care they want, but that's not the point of ACA, it's the 99% who can't necessarily for a multitude of reasons. There are many problems with our health care system, far more than ACA can or will address, but the hobgoblin of progress is perfection and even as limited or imperfect as ACA might be (much less so than vacuous and hyperbolic GOP/TP rhetoric might lead one to believe), it IS a good first step to actually addressing our nation's health care woes. I, as many other, have problems with it not because it went too far, per GOP/TP rhetoric, but because it didn't go far enough.
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Military will get paid. Congress just passed an exemption for them.

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Old 09-30-2013, 05:28 PM   #84
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That's to extinguish hostility.
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Or your statement isn't technically correct. Are you a glass half empty or glass half full kind of guy?
The glass is over-designed for the quantity of whatever substance it contains.
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I love how everyone blames the GOP for this because they refuse to compromise or give in and stand firm in their convictions. The House of Representatives, which I still believe is a better measurement of the will of the people than either the POTUS or senate, has clearly declared its outright opposition to the ACA.

Why don't we talk about Obama's refusal to compromise on a number of issues over the years? His outright refusal to listen to alternatives in areas such as gun control that have widened the gap between the parties. It's his way or nothing most of time. And everyone is ok with that apparently, but when the HOR stands its ground against him finally, they're the bad guys. Give me a break.

This President has single-handeadly divided the country more than any other since Abraham Lincoln. It's an outright disgrace. The POTUS is a figurehead who's main focus should be to unite the people, not divide them. As the head of he executive branch, his job is to ensure execution of the laws congress (the legislature) passes. It's not is job to play dictator. It is his job to bring both sides together to work out their differences. He's been an absolute disgrace that department.
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Old 10-01-2013, 12:43 AM   #88
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Re: Federal Shut down, will it happen?

I hope you lousy republicans are happy. I had to ride a horse to work today because the highways are all shut down. Thankfully it's still dark so I couldn't see the planes falling out of the sky.

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I love how everyone blames the GOP for this because they refuse to compromise or give in and stand firm in their convictions. The House of Representatives, which I still believe is a better measurement of the will of the people than either the POTUS or senate, has clearly declared its outright opposition to the ACA.

Why don't we talk about Obama's refusal to compromise on a number of issues over the years? His outright refusal to listen to alternatives in areas such as gun control that have widened the gap between the parties. It's his way or nothing most of time. And everyone is ok with that apparently, but when the HOR stands its ground against him finally, they're the bad guys. Give me a break.

This President has single-handeadly divided the country more than any other since Abraham Lincoln. It's an outright disgrace. The POTUS is a figurehead who's main focus should be to unite the people, not divide them. As the head of he executive branch, his job is to ensure execution of the laws congress (the legislature) passes. It's not is job to play dictator. It is his job to bring both sides together to work out their differences. He's been an absolute disgrace that department.
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Old 10-01-2013, 06:27 AM   #90
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I love how everyone blames the GOP for this because they refuse to compromise or give in and stand firm in their convictions. The House of Representatives, which I still believe is a better measurement of the will of the people than either the POTUS or senate, has clearly declared its outright opposition to the ACA.

Why don't we talk about Obama's refusal to compromise on a number of issues over the years? His outright refusal to listen to alternatives in areas such as gun control that have widened the gap between the parties. It's his way or nothing most of time. And everyone is ok with that apparently, but when the HOR stands its ground against him finally, they're the bad guys. Give me a break.

This President has single-handeadly divided the country more than any other since Abraham Lincoln. It's an outright disgrace. The POTUS is a figurehead who's main focus should be to unite the people, not divide them. As the head of he executive branch, his job is to ensure execution of the laws congress (the legislature) passes. It's not is job to play dictator. It is his job to bring both sides together to work out their differences. He's been an absolute disgrace that department.
I've always said it. Obama is not naturally a great leader.
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And your statement is correct based on an assumption that also has not come to fruition.
Holy **** the down syndrome is strong with you.
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Fvcking all of them.

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I love how everyone blames the GOP for this because they refuse to compromise or give in and stand firm in their convictions. The House of Representatives, which I still believe is a better measurement of the will of the people than either the POTUS or senate, has clearly declared its outright opposition to the ACA.

Why don't we talk about Obama's refusal to compromise on a number of issues over the years? His outright refusal to listen to alternatives in areas such as gun control that have widened the gap between the parties. It's his way or nothing most of time. And everyone is ok with that apparently, but when the HOR stands its ground against him finally, they're the bad guys. Give me a break.

This President has single-handeadly divided the country more than any other since Abraham Lincoln. It's an outright disgrace. The POTUS is a figurehead who's main focus should be to unite the people, not divide them. As the head of he executive branch, his job is to ensure execution of the laws congress (the legislature) passes. It's not is job to play dictator. It is his job to bring both sides together to work out their differences. He's been an absolute disgrace that department.
The House GOP's attempts at a "compromise" is akin to Democrats tying federal funding and mandatory counseling about abortion for every pregnant woman. Anyone with a brain knows that it's never going to happen and tying something like that to the CR would result in no compromise from the GOP. Just like everyone with a brain knows that the Dem controlled Senate and WH aren't going to compromise on the ACA.

That the GOP was willing to repeatedly refuse to acknowledge that they aren't going to repeal/delay/modify the ACA (after over 40 attempts prior to tying it to the CR) is a sign that they don't care that they cannot and will not be able to do anything about the ACA at this time and they don't mind holding the country's operation hostage (and thus damaging the country's reputation as well as economy) knowing full-well that they will not get what they want.

The only way the ACA is getting changed/modified/repealed is if the GOP can take back a majority in both houses and either get the WH or get enough of a majority to override a veto. They know this. I know this. You know this. However, they're still willing to shutdown the government in a futile effort to grandstand that they are trying to get rid of the ACA etc. This move is pathetic, it is bad for the country in many ways, and it's brought to us courtesy of the House GOP.

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Everyone seems to be blaming one side or another, yet totally don't seem to care about the law passed in 1884 that forces this to happen.

Want less spending to prevent going over budget? You got it. So you should be happy.
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Everyone seems to be blaming one side or another, yet totally don't seem to care about the law passed in 1884 that forces this to happen.

Want less spending to prevent going over budget? You got it. So you should be happy.
I'm thrilled. The market is going to tank, I'll buy up as much as I can, then profit nicely when it rebounds.
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Old 10-01-2013, 09:28 AM   #99
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So... The government is "open" and it makes money.

The government is "closed" and.... it doesn't make money? or it continues to make money, paying a select few and provides IOUs to... who?

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It's basically instantaneous spending cuts to things deemed "unnecessary." It's practically what people want, yet people don't want it.

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