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Old 10-08-2013, 03:31 PM   #21
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You come into my thread, that has the topic clearly lined out, then complain that I won't answer an unrelated question while you yourself show no intention of sticking to the topic. You have some nerve, there.

Oh, please ti317, answer my question! I won't be able to sleep until I hear what you have to say!

Whatever. Surely, there's a "conservative" on here that can explain to me why Boehner won't call for a vote.
Oh so we can only discuss what you say is in the title? Sorta like you discussing sane sex marriage in a Federal Shutdown thread?

A blind man on a galloping horse can see why.

First, he is not 100% certain of the vote. Second there is nothing to be gained by calling the vote. Sorta like Harry Reid refusing to bring the Bill to fund the NIH to the floor.

Now I've answered your question. Do you have it in you to give a grown up answer to mine?

All the early betting is on no. But I keep telling them you are more intellectually honest than that.
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Old 10-08-2013, 03:32 PM   #22
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That shrugging gif response wasn't even directed to you. That was my shrugging gif response! Get your own damned shrugging gif response for your quotes you thieving bastard! What are you? A Tea Bag Republican?!?!?


News flash! I'm on the iPad app, the gif didn't even come through. Nyah!
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Old 10-08-2013, 03:34 PM   #23
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Oh so we can only discuss what you say is in the title? Sorta like you discussing sane sex marriage in a Federal Shutdown thread?

A blind man on a galloping horse can see why.

First, he is not 100% certain of the vote. Second there is nothing to be gained by calling the vote. Sorta like Harry Reid refusing to bring the Bill to fund the NIH to the floor.

Now I've answered your question. Do you have it in you to give a grown up answer to mine?

All the early betting is on no. But I keep telling them you are more intellectually honest than that.
You're the one that brought up the 200 year old slavery issue as if it were to give you some sort of political affiliated moral high ground.
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News flash! I'm on the iPad app, the gif didn't even come through. Nyah!
iPads don't see gifs? One more reason they are about as good as a $2.00 paper weight.
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And yet the President took it upon himself to change the text of a statute without benefit of any legislative action ( hint, changing the effective date of employer mandate). Second hint, read Articles 1 and 2 of the U.S. Constitution.
Nothing unconstitutional was committed....otherwise, don't you think the Republican party would have been circling the wagons? The POTUS was entirely within his power to make those changes whether you like it or not.

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And yet the President and his minions rail against the Supreme Court decision in the Citizens a United case.
As do Republicans against other cases....so, what's your point?
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Old 10-08-2013, 03:55 PM   #26
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Whatever. Surely, there's a "conservative" on here that can explain to me why Boehner won't call for a vote.
Don't hold your breath.
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The bill that Boehner says there aren't enough votes for. Why doesn't he just prove it by calling a vote?


Negotiate what? What concessions are the Republicans offering to the Democrats?
Obama said it himself today. He is willing to negotiate AFTER the funding is passed. What is that?

We pass a fiscally irresponsible budget then try to trim the fat from the next one? NO - reach a compromise that doesn't defund ACA and eliminates some of the wasteful BS that is sinking this country.
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Obama and the dems should return a spending bill that defunds Obamacare, but has a rider that bans guns.

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Obama and the dems should return a spending bill that defunds Obamacare, but has a rider that bans guns.

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Great idea.

Or one that eliminates subsidies for hugely-profitable corporations.
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ASA calls for a lot of spending...
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What is the Republicans' reason not to do so?
It's really simple, there are crooked, treasonous republicans bribed by hookers and blow (or whatever floats their boat, little boys maybe?) that will vote against the majority of the GOP stance. Likewise the Repubs have these same plants on the Demo side at any given time if the price is right. A big circle jerk. It's politics.

What's politics? Simple. Getting other people to do what you want.

I though you knew politics. Obama thinks he can call Boehner as he as he multitasks another teleprompter campaign speech.

He's wrong, these guys aren't going to budge. What then? IDK maybe O will whip up some executive orders in his rage. This will get interesting.
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Nothing unconstitutional was committed....otherwise, don't you think the Republican party would have been circling the wagons? The POTUS was entirely within his power to make those changes whether you like it or not.



As do Republicans against other cases....so, what's your point?
Read the U.S. Constitution, Article II, Section 3 and then tell me is he has the power to rewrite law. The problem is that there are only two courses of action available, Impeachment or lawsuit. The House is unable to file a lawsuit and Impeachment has to be tried in the Senate and there are not enough votes to Convict and remove him from office and there would be tremendous backlash at another failed Impeachment.

So the House is hamstrung. The problem is that the public in general is not educated on our system of government nor familiar enough with the Constitution.

There are some private entities suing, as we speak:

http://www.postonpolitics.com/2013/1...loyer-mandate/

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/laws...0/01/id/528694

Expect more to be filed.

I'm sure you were aware of all oft he above.
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It would be a monumentally stupid idea, the unconstitutional part, the gun ban, would be stricken and the defunding would stand.

But you knew that, didn't you?
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iPads don't see gifs? One more reason they are about as good as a $2.00 paper weight.
The App, doesn't propagate some animations. If I use Safari to go to the forum, I see them.
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Read the U.S. Constitution, Article II, Section 3 and then tell me is he has the power to rewrite law. The problem is that there are only two courses of action available, Impeachment or lawsuit. The House is unable to file a lawsuit and Impeachment has to be tried in the Senate and there are not enough votes to Convict and remove him from office and there would be tremendous backlash at another failed Impeachment.

So the House is hamstrung. The problem is that the public in general is not educated on our system of government nor familiar enough with the Constitution.

There are some private entities suing, as we speak:

http://www.postonpolitics.com/2013/1...loyer-mandate/

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/laws...0/01/id/528694

Expect more to be filed.

I'm sure you were aware of all oft he above.
The term "bloviate" comes to mind, yet again.

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Mostly, the heated rhetoric of the past few weeks ignores what the Administration has actually decided and how it has delimited the scope and purpose of that decision. The Treasury Department's announcement provides for one year of "transition relief," to continue working through 2014 with "employers, insurers, and other reporting entities" to revise and engage in "real-world testing" of the reporting requirements, simplify forms, coordinate requisite public and private sector information technology arrangements, and engineer a "smoother transition to full implementation in 2015." The announcement describes the postponed requirements as "ACA mandatory" -- i.e., not discretionary or subject to indefinite waiver. On July 9, Assistant Treasury Secretary Mark Mazur added, in a letter to House Energy and Commerce Committee Chair Fred Upton, that the Department expects to publish proposed rules implementing the relevant provisions "this summer, after a dialogue with stakeholders." In effect, the Administration explains the delay as a sensible adjustment to phase-in enforcement, not a refusal to enforce
http://www.theatlantic.com/national/...stment/277873/


But go ahead and circle the wagons for the next manufactured "crisis."
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It would be a monumentally stupid idea, the unconstitutional part, the gun ban, would be stricken and the defunding would stand.

But you knew that, didn't you?
It was a joke, big cat. I own plenty of firearms. However, you could modify that to replace gun ban to mandatory background checks and registration and it would be about the same. Both are examples of an unstoppable object meeting an immovable force. One has to break.
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Message to Obama. Change places with Biden for 15 minutes and all the votes will go thru in an instant, and the debt ceiling debate will go away also. Problem solved.
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You're the one that brought up the 200 year old slavery issue as if it were to give you some sort of political affiliated moral high ground.

I was pointing out that slavery was once the "Law of the land" and so the reasoning that since ACA is the "Law of the land", it is sacrosanct is bogus.

That has nothing to do with the inability of any of you to point to the clauses in this CR that should necessitate shutting down the Government?

The simple truth is that you do not know or cannot defend the intransigence of the Senate and the Administration.

Either you do not know what is in the CR, or you are ashamed to defend their actions.
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Message to Obama. Change places with Biden for 15 minutes and all the votes will go thru in an instant, and the debt ceiling debate will go away also. Problem solved.
You're not dragging race into this are you?
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Message to Obama. Change places with Biden for 15 minutes and all the votes will go thru in an instant, and the debt ceiling debate will go away also. Problem solved.
Biden? Are you for real? He guy is a running joke. He ran for President twice and probably garnered a total of 100,000 votes. Selecting Biden a VP was a stroke of genius as the threat that he could become President is enough to make the Grand Dragon of the KKK donate organs to save Obama's life.
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