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Old 10-27-2013, 12:32 AM   #21
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Old 10-27-2013, 07:10 PM   #22
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Re: Tuning an HPF car for 50/50 water meth

I must say that the happy camper is me. Being3 has been a great help to me with setting up my base tune and pump meth tune. I have to say that car has performed flawlessly up to this point. It pulls so hard it unbelievable.

Being3 knows what he is doing when it comes to tunning and is a great help to fellow enthusiast.

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Tuning an HPF car for 50/50 water meth

To address back pressure and more efficient cylinder scavenging as a result of higher boost with 50/50, I added an electric open dump to my car with 3 inch straight back section two which in turn connects to the muffler.

I had to adjust the 50/50 tune considerably. In fact above 6900 rpm I am not removing any fuel to compensate for the 50/50 mix as the AFRs r perfect. I attribute the exhaust and resulting increased power now being made at high rpm. Also at 3000 to 6500 I had to dramatically reduce the amount of fuel being taken out. For example I was with old exhaust taking 10 percent fuel out from 3 to 4 k rpm. Now I'm only taking 3 percent. So I suspect that I am making some real power gains particularly upstairs... Possibly closer to 800 wheel... Dyno will confirm... It also means that I have exceeded the 1000cc injector and could use a second one above 6500 for even more oomph

So this poses an interesting situation. If u have closed exhaust and open dump would require two different maps. So what I will do is configure the race switch to adjust for the fuel difference and trip the exhaust cutout. I will need to create a small circuit for 5 second power up that will trip a relay to open / close of the exhaust cutout wired into to the race switch. I will also like to have the race switch converted/ moved from the steering column to a foot switch on the dead peddle like the old high beam switch used in vintage cars. This will allow me to have my hands free to press it on or off with a quick tap of my foot.


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Old 11-26-2013, 10:44 PM   #24
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Tuning an HPF car for 50/50 water meth

50/50 Water / Meth Dyno made 742 rwhp and 685 rwtorque compared to Pump @ 654 rwhp & 600 rwtorque. So a peak gain of 88rwhp and 85 foot lbs over a stout base tune. Also gains of 100 hp and 100 torque @ 5750. Numbers r with exhaust cut out open. More Dyno numbers compared to my old exhaust on my other thread "Buying a used HPF M3" keep in mind that the AIT were high above 6500RPM and the timing was being pulled by some 2.5+ degrees compared to normal AITs which r in the 20s C range so the numbers r higher in reality , also 5th gear pulls because of traction which builds lots of heat....

FYI: water temps were between 74c and 82c max on all runs...

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FYI : I'll post an overlay of the two soon as I get it.

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Old 04-01-2014, 11:04 AM   #25
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Tuning an HPF car for 50/50 water meth

Just tuned a stage 2 HPF car for water meth 50/50. Also did my DME mods and Aem serial Gage ...

Made 638 rwhp and 510 rear torque.... This was last run of the day... Car ran 15 psi with about 4 degrees more timing... It was interesting to see how high compression motor worked with 50/50 verses low compression..... High compression likes more timing with little boost increase to make power.... I didn't even reach knock threshold as I felt this was the safest limit for stock internals. The car would have made more

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Car is fast.... Lebanese nation hill climb champion drove me through the streets of Beirut with it... And we were freaking sideways and did a few 180s through the the side streets with cars all over the place.... It's was awesome. Lol if I were back home I would have been put in Jail indefinitely. ... Got a like it....

Doing a stage 3 in the afternoon tomarrow as well as stage 2 with high compression forged internals .... Stay tuned
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Old 04-01-2014, 11:36 AM   #26
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AWESOME!

Anthony, it was great meeting you this weekend in Dubai as you came to re-tune Dragos HPF Stg2.5 M3

have fun in Istanbul with those Beasts!
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AWESOME!

Anthony, it was great meeting you this weekend in Dubai as you came to re-tune Dragos HPF Stg2.5 M3

have fun in Istanbul with those Beasts!

We sure had a blast with many laughs...... Dragos's car made great power on stock exhaust... About 719 wheel on pump and straight meth... With 640 on pump
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Old 04-01-2014, 06:57 PM   #28
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AWESOME!

Anthony, it was great meeting you this weekend in Dubai as you came to re-tune Dragos HPF Stg2.5 M3

have fun in Istanbul with those Beasts!

M3 freaks decided to postpone their visit to Istanbul.


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I have a non built s54 running a conservative pump tune but making great power w/ e85 (detuned to 675whp for now- was making ~720whp+) on an AEM Infinity. However, I don't always have access to e85 so I'm really itching for more power when I'm on pump and have recently been considering going the WMI route. I've asked a couple of guys with built s54's who say it's not worth the risk, but I feel like WMI has come a long way and the failsafes are now there to really prevent catastrophic engine damage in the event of system failure. Would love to hear your thoughts on the topic of 'safety' and 'reliability' when it comes to WMI.
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I have a non built s54 running a conservative pump tune but making great power w/ e85 (detuned to 675whp for now- was making ~720whp+) on an AEM Infinity. However, I don't always have access to e85 so I'm really itching for more power when I'm on pump and have recently been considering going the WMI route. I've asked a couple of guys with built s54's who say it's not worth the risk, but I feel like WMI has come a long way and the failsafes are now there to really prevent catastrophic engine damage in the event of system failure. Would love to hear your thoughts on the topic of 'safety' and 'reliability' when it comes to WMI.

I have AEM Infinity setup for 50/50 with built in failsafes. I use AEM water meth system with AEM water meth flow failsafe gauge. If any fault occurs with electrical, tank running low, leak or clogged nozzle etc... the system triggers low boost automatically.... nice thing with Infinity is the tuning. U setup a separate lambda table for AFR targets and Infinity automatically adjust fuel for 50/50 using same VE table u already have for ur car. Combined with alternative timing , boost map linked to mode switch u activate it as u wish. The one feature that is a failsafe that's a bit of a pain is u have to have the map at atmosphere to activate 50/50 system. So clutch has to be pushed in. With the power ur making one 1000cc nozzle will take car to all the power a stock motor can handle.
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Infinity with AEM water meth system and failsafes. " Converted HPF system"

Another aspect of making a reliable 50/50 systems is to use DOT connectors and lines. The connectors need to have the O rings replace with AC grade HNBR O rings. This way u will have a leak safe setup.

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Simply Amazing upgrade Anthony!

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50/50 Water / Meth Dyno made 742 rwhp and 685 rwtorque compared to Pump @ 654 rwhp & 600 rwtorque. So a peak gain of 88rwhp and 85 foot lbs over a stout base tune. Also gains of 100 hp and 100 torque @ 5750. Numbers r with exhaust cut out open. More Dyno numbers compared to my old exhaust on my other thread "Buying a used HPF M3" keep in mind that the AIT were high above 6500RPM and the timing was being pulled by some 2.5+ degrees compared to normal AITs which r in the 20s C range so the numbers r higher in reality , also 5th gear pulls because of traction which builds lots of heat....

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Can you tell me your WOT ignition timing and AFR when you are around 18psi, 50/50 WM and using your 3" cut out?

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Can you tell me your WOT ignition timing and AFR when you are around 18psi, 50/50 WM and using your 3" cut out?



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AFRs should be 11 and ignition timing depends on if ur motor is low,compression or stock. And will vary depending on AIT temps as timing trims r in play. I can post the 50/50 timing map if u let me know ur compression
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AFRs should be 11 and ignition timing depends on if ur motor is low,compression or stock. And will vary depending on AIT temps as timing trims r in play. I can post the 50/50 timing map if u let me know ur compression
I'm running E85, 10.2:1 Stock Compression Ratio (M54B30).
AIT after a couple of full street runs go upto about 70-75 Deg Cel, then come back down to around 50Deg Cel - around 15-20sec of driving in outside air temp of around 24deg cel.

I was mainly just asking about your car. Which may not be relevant to my car.

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I'm running E85, 10.2:1 Stock Compression Ratio (M54B30).
AIT after a couple of full street runs go upto about 70-75 Deg Cel, then come back down to around 50Deg Cel - around 15-20sec of driving in outside air temp of around 24deg cel.

I was mainly just asking about your car. Which may not be relevant to my car.

Thanks being3.
My car is running around 5 degrees at WOT with trims at 26psi and at 18 psi I'm only running 94 octane and NO 50/50. One thing is u don't need water meth for e85 as it has the cooling characteristics built in and that's why e85 is so good at making power not its octane rating as some might think ... E85 should be able to run a lot more timing
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My car is running around 5 degrees at WOT with trims at 26psi and at 18 psi I'm only running 94 octane and NO 50/50. One thing is u don't need water meth for e85 as it has the cooling characteristics built in and that's why e85 is so good at making power not its octane rating as some might think ... E85 should be able to run a lot more timing
Thanks for the info being3.

I'm gonna run 50/50 before my twin screw to help reduce the temps when being compressed.
Running 22 Deg WOT at 18psi atm with out WM.
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