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Old 10-09-2013, 04:14 PM   #21
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They raced a BMW and a Cadillac? What a pointless comparison. The vast majority of people buying new BMWs and new Cadillacs have no interest in racing them.

My mom was complaining the other day that her CTS doesn't come with a spare tire. I said "Mom, people buying luxury cars have zero interest in changing a tire on the side of the road."


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If you're not just trolling, I would say sell your BMWs and your Audi and pick up a Saab 92x. I almost bought one before I bought my S4.
No definitely not trolling. I love SAAB's with a passion. When I was deciding whether or not to buy my E46, I was also considering a WRX and several SAAB's and I had thought about a 9-2x Aero. It was great because it combined 2 cars that I wanted but it just didn't feel right. If I ever buy a SAAB in the near future it will be a 9-5 Aero sedan or SportCombi, or a 9-3 TurboX sedan or SportCombi.
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Why would it matter if the BMW kept up with the caddy? It better keep up.

I don't think BMW understates their car's power. I think their cars are particularly good at getting it to the ground in addition to having wider than average power bands.

Take our M54 for example. Take off the VANOS and you can still achieve the same peak power, but your torque is going to be a lot less even across the rpm range. The DISA is another component that helps there. Other companies are just in the past few years coming out with things like continuously variable valve timing and all that.

BMWs most recent competitive advantage is continuously variable valve lift. You won't see that in Cadillacs for years to come.


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have you guys noticed that alot of talk from especially from cadillac that they got the " better" cars than BMW? its seems like alot of other luxury car brands want to crush BMW. I have noticed this "attitude" sometimes with some people who drive ATS, CTS-Vs. I had a guy tell me that most of the new cadillacs will crush these BMWs, really? I told him to read the article from Motortrend? basically the writer said BMW underrates their horsepower, in a nutshell "If you see a BMW depending on what it is, dont mess with it"
naw homie my kia optima beat yo 3 series bimmer any day its turbo.
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Why would it matter if the BMW kept up with the caddy? It better keep up.

I don't think BMW understates their car's power. I think their cars are particularly good at getting it to the ground in addition to having wider than average power bands.

Take our M54 for example. Take off the VANOS and you can still achieve the same peak power, but your torque is going to be a lot less even across the rpm range. The DISA is another component that helps there. Other companies are just in the past few years coming out with things like continuously variable valve timing and all that.

BMWs most recent competitive advantage is continuously variable valve lift. You won't see that in Cadillacs for years to come.


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My mom has one its actually pretty good.
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The CTS-V doesn't compete with the M3, it competes with the M5.
I love my BMWs like you do yours, but dude come on. The V holds the fastest saloon lap around the ring. Faster than the F10 M5, E60 M5, E90 M3, and most likely will even challenge the F30 M3
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I love my BMWs like you do yours, but dude come on. The V holds the fastest saloon lap around the ring. Faster than the F10 M5, E60 M5, E90 M3, and most likely will even challenge the F30 M3
He's saying that the CTS-V is built to compete against the M5, not against the M3. Not that it's not a competitive car.


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Well after spending a few months behind an E60 M5 and having been around a few Vs I must say the V smashes the E60 as far as interior quality goes. Exterior quality they are both pretty equal. Now, moving along to the F10. No ****ing way. The F10 M5 > V x 1000. The F10 has the nicest and finest examples of leather. The stitching, the leather wrapped dash, suede steering wheel and shift/parking boot, etc its all better. The quality of the exterior and interior is far superior than the V. Even the new ones. The E60 is a cool M5, and I would love to have one, but the interior quality is definately lacking on most of them. It does feel cheap. Way cheaper than the E9x M3s
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I love my BMWs like you do yours, but dude come on. The V holds the fastest saloon lap around the ring. Faster than the F10 M5, E60 M5, E90 M3, and most likely will even challenge the F30 M3
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My mom has one its actually pretty good.
The high trim ones really are surprisingly nice. They have a lot of features for the price. I used to work at the plant that made them too. They're pretty good quality, but when you look at the components, they aren't as substantial as our cars (obviously).
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The high trim ones really are surprisingly nice. They have a lot of features for the price. I used to work at the plant that made them too. They're pretty good quality, but when you look at the components, they aren't as substantial as our cars (obviously).
Yup, I test drove one. Pleasantly surprised all around.
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The high trim ones really are surprisingly nice. They have a lot of features for the price. I used to work at the plant that made them too. They're pretty good quality, but when you look at the components, they aren't as substantial as our cars (obviously).
She bought one of the first Turbo models before the Limited came out and from my experience that is the best one to buy and we got it for under $30k. I am impressed with it but I wouldn't have it. But it's great for her. The air conditioned seats are a nice feature though!
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^^just google it^^ I just did and a few tests popped up with some dyno runs claiming the horsepower is understated..

FROM A GOOGLE SEARCH:

If the following results are true, why would BMW understate the performance of the 335d's engine so much?

On the dyno, we found out why the BMW felt so fast. Rated at 265 hp and 425 lb-ft at the crank, the little 3.0L inline-six in the 335d actually made 258 hp and 421 lb-ft at the wheels, making the crankshaft numbers closer to 300 hp and 525 lb-ft

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Acceleration and Dyno Testing
We were able to get some pretty good numbers when we tested the '09 BMW 335d, both on the dyno, and during quarter-mile runs. First we weighed the car and were surprised to learn it was 3,860 pounds without driver-which is pretty light for a loaded BMW. That meant it should have been pretty quick, and our testing didn't disappoint. Our first acceleration run yielded a 9.72-second eighth-mile time at 74 mph, and a quarter-mile time of 14.99 seconds at 93 mph. Still, that wasn't good enough, so we unloaded the car, kicked the passenger out, and turned off the traction control by holding down the DTC button until a little warning sign appeared on the dash. Our next run yielded an impressive 9.14-second eighth-mile time at 77 mph. We're confident the car is capable of low 14 or high 13-second quarter-mile runs under optimal conditions in stock form, making it a good second and a half faster than any of the diesel trucks we've ever tested.

On the dyno, we found out why the BMW felt so fast. Rated at 265 hp and 425 lb-ft at the crank, the little 3.0L inline-six in the 335d actually made 258 hp and 421 lb-ft at the wheels, making the crankshaft numbers closer to 300 hp and 525 lb-ft. To really put these numbers into perspective, the 6.6L Duramax, 6.4L Ford, and 6.7L Cummins engines all make about 270 to 300 hp at the wheels, despite being more than twice as large as the little BMW engine. Oh, and the 3.0L is 50-state legal and meets 2010 emissions. When we say this is an amazing powerplant, we're not kidding.able


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The CTS-V is nice. The ATS is nice. But we all must agree that our cars are still the "ultimate driving Machine" until that changes, then BMW has the complete Package. The guy I told you about, has got that " Cadillac HP and BMW is overated", attitude. I try to go by Facts and keep my opinions out. Finally, he admitted he hates BMW because those "people think their the ****%%^", and he will crush any BMW. I warned him, my 330xi might just embarrass you be carefull who you challenge. I then walked away laughing to myself.
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The CTS-V is nice. The ATS is nice. But we all must agree that our cars are still the "ultimate driving Machine" until that changes, then BMW has the complete Package. The guy I told you about, has got that " Cadillac HP and BMW is overated", attitude. I try to go by Facts and keep my opinions out. Finally, he admitted he hates BMW because those "people think their the ****%%^", and he will crush any BMW. I warned him, my 330xi might just embarrass you be carefull who you challenge. I then walked away laughing to myself.


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Why would you bother comparing a 6.7L or 6.4Ldiesel to BMW's 3.0L diesel? Yes, it puts out more power, but how much can it tow?

I'm interested in the business decision behind that, though. Why would they underrate their power figures?


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not sure why? Business wise doesnt seem like it would make much difference.
Note: have you noticed that Cadillac is really not focusing on Audi or Mercedes? its BMW. Audi and Mercedes have some fast powerful cars, but Cadillac's attention is aimed at BMW... Does anyone else agree?
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