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Old 10-10-2013, 06:06 PM   #81
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You're totally right BMW makes sh!t cars, I mean who would be caught dead in this slow boat!

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Fvcking disgusting. LiKe doid my decade old 3 series Iz da ****!!11 new cars suck BMW has gone to ****.


Why not stop hating what you can't afford. The new bmws are exceptional. Every car we have hauls ass and has tons of potential. He'll drive a new m5/m6 and tell me BMW sucks afterwards.


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Why not stop hating what you can't afford. The new bmws are exceptional. Every car we have hauls ass and has tons of potential. He'll drive a new m5/m6 and tell me BMW sucks afterwards.


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Im guessing he works for a luxo car dealership...
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It just pisses me off when people talk down about a car they haven't driven. I'll admit the later e9x's were tighter cars than the f30's but the overall package you get on the 328i is hard to beat.
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Have you seen the technical offerings you can add onto a BMW? Micro-adjusting seats that help your back feel better after long trips? Variable steering? Waving your foot under the car to open the trunk? Touchpad navigation system?

How is that not innovative?

If you want a superhardc0rebr0 sports car, you should buy a Lotus. BMW is a sporty luxury brand.
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No supercar. No care.

Kidding. They are still pushing innovation, but in refinement and creature comforts it seems for their vehicles.

The 1M was again in my opinion, the closest they've been in a long time to what used to excite the motorsport enthusiasts.
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This is why I'm calling you an armchair CEO. That is such a broad generalization that it means absolutely nothing.


Have you ever been in or worked for a manufacturing organization? I take it probably not. There's a reason small companies become big and if they're good and remain good at what they do, they become great.

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Yeah, money is limited, so they are trying to make more. You don't make money by trying to appeal to what is becoming a smaller and smaller market every year. You want more innovation, but you don't want them targeting larger markets. That's a huge flaw in your thinking.
Never said it wasn't wise. But with risk comes reward. There's been large push back by the CEO to the M division to not allow intriguing projects.

More often then not, CEOs are concerned with quarterly profits. Why? Because it makes them look good. Larger salaries, larger bonuses, investors happy in the short run. Longevity wise, this can drive a company into the ground as it loses focus.

I'm sure that's not the case though.
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It just pisses me off when people talk down about a car they haven't driven. I'll admit the later e9x's were tighter cars than the f30's but the overall package you get on the 328i is hard to beat.
Relax. Everybody has their opinion. I've been in some of the newer BMWs.

When you're slapping M badges on every model in the lineup, one starts to wonder what M now denotes.
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Have you ever been in or worked for a manufacturing organization? I take it probably not. There's a reason small companies become big and if they're good and remain good at what they do, they become great.



Never said it wasn't wise. But with risk comes reward. There's been large push back by the CEO to the M division to not allow intriguing projects.

More often then not, CEOs are concerned with quarterly profits. Why? Because it makes them look good. Larger salaries, larger bonuses, investors happy in the short run. Longevity wise, this can drive a company into the ground as it loses focus.

I'm sure that's not the case though.
I worked for Kia Motors at a plant that made 360,000 cars per year. I now work for a company that makes 200,000 engine and transmission sensors for a week. Blow me.


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You're out because a "junior" member has more experience in automotive manufacturing than you do. Haha.

All I did was call you out for your broad John Madden-esque commentary on what the corporate strategy of BMW should be. I'm pretty sure the collective upper management of BMW knows how to advance the company and beat its competition better than you do.


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You're out because a "junior" member has more experience in automotive manufacturing than you do. Haha.

All I did was call you out for your broad John Madden-esque commentary on what the corporate strategy of BMW should be. I'm pretty sure the collective upper management of BMW knows how to advance the company and beat its competition better than you do.


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Anybody can say anything over the internet. Obviously I've pissed you off enough for you to get defensive with me. I never specifically stated this was the case with BMW, but case studies and history will show these things happen and often times no one foresees it.

I understand the marketing behind the 4-series. Was it well-liked? Maybe but i seemed like a no. But companies have to make profits. I'm pretty sure they know how to do it better than any of us. But remember this, you and I and many other consumers have to award them with our approval.

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Anybody can say anything over the internet. Obviously I've pissed you off enough for you to get defensive with me. I never specifically stated this was the case with BMW, but case studies and history will show these things happen and often times no one foresees it.

I understand the marketing behind the 4-series. Was it well-liked? Maybe but i seemed like a no. But companies have to make profits. I'm pretty sure they know how to do it better than any of us. But remember this, you and I and many other consumers have to award them with our approval.
If you posted in more than rant threads and the political forums you'd know I'm not making **** up. I have no reason to lie. And yes, I'm going to get defensive when I bust my ass every day just trying to deliver a product that is just a very small part of the automotive machine. You have no perspective on how difficult the industry is and the course the car manufacturers need to take to be successful.

You can't just say things like "they need to broaden their horizons" and then act like you've just said something insightful. That's basically my entire point. It doesn't even matter that I work in the industry.


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1 series is my pick. 1M is my ultamite pick.

My M3 against your 135 at the track? Old vs new? I'm stock.
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They're not doing a ton for me

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My M3 against your 135 at the track? Old vs new? I'm stock.
It would be a good match I think.


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My M3 against your 135 at the track? Old vs new? I'm stock.
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If you posted in more than rant threads and the political forums you'd know I'm not making **** up. I have no reason to lie. And yes, I'm going to get defensive when I bust my ass every day just trying to deliver a product that is just a very small part of the automotive machine. You have no perspective on how difficult the industry is and the course the car manufacturers need to take to be successful.

You can't just say things like "they need to broaden their horizons" and then act like you've just said something insightful. That's basically my entire point. It doesn't even matter that I work in the industry.


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As someone who too works in a manufacturing industry, yes it carries some resemblance. Remove the product and the formula for manufacturing companies are essentially the same.
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