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Old 10-12-2013, 10:37 AM   #21
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Esp on the freeway, if you have to jam on the brakes, as soon as you judge the distance in front, next step is to check your rearview mirror. A handful of times over the years, I've managed to avoid being hit from behind by doing so.

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Old 10-12-2013, 10:45 AM   #22
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I hope you got the email of the two cars involved in the accident so you can email them the video which they can use to prove that the package guy caused the accident.
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Old 10-12-2013, 10:51 AM   #23
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I hope you got the email of the two cars involved in the accident so you can email them the video which they can use to prove that the package guy caused the accident.
In all fairness, package guy is only partially responsible.

If OP was able to stop in time without even getting into ABS, then anyone following him should have been able to, as well. If the Civic had been following at a safer distance or paying more attention, s/he wouldn't have had to swerve into the carpool lane.
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Old 10-12-2013, 10:58 AM   #24
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In all fairness, package guy is only partially responsible.

If OP was able to stop in time without even getting into ABS, then anyone following him should have been able to, as well. If the Civic had been following at a safer distance or paying more attention, s/he wouldn't have had to swerve into the carpool lane.
While I agree, the truck caused the situation. Even when following at a reasonable distance, the car in back may not be able to avoid a collision. The OP is driving in a BMW, with exceptional brakes and can stop MUCH faster than a civic (imagine a dump truck was behind the BMW). Factor in reaction time of 1-2 seconds before the civic realized the BMW went pedal to the floor, and there is no way that was going to be avoided. Hell, the BMW was only able to not hit the pickup because of his brakes. If the OP was in something else, he definitely would have hit.

So, I agree with you that the civic made bad choices (driving too closely, unsafely switching lanes) the cause of the accident/situation was the truck stopping in the middle of a highway. The insurance companies would have no problem going after the pickup driver.
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Old 10-12-2013, 11:10 AM   #25
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Old 10-12-2013, 11:12 AM   #26
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Old 10-12-2013, 11:13 AM   #27
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You were very lucky, did they put you on hold??
Probably a transfer. Some 911 centers now answer with "do you need police, fire or ambulance?" and based on the first 5 seconds of info, transfer the call to a second operator to get more detailed info.

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While I agree, the truck caused the situation. Even when following at a reasonable distance, the car in back may not be able to avoid a collision. The OP is driving in a BMW, with exceptional brakes and can stop MUCH faster than a civic (imagine a dump truck was behind the BMW). Factor in reaction time of 1-2 seconds before the civic realized the BMW went pedal to the floor, and there is no way that was going to be avoided. Hell, the BMW was only able to not hit the pickup because of his brakes. If the OP was in something else, he definitely would have hit.

So, I agree with you that the civic made bad choices (driving too closely, unsafely switching lanes) the cause of the accident/situation was the truck stopping in the middle of a highway. The insurance companies would have no problem going after the pickup driver.
I agree that the dumbass in the blue truck is the first domino, esp if OP is correct that the box fell out of his bed and he stopped on a free flowing freeway to pick it up.

But the definition of "reasonable distance" is always going to be something like "far enough back to avoid an accident if the vehicle in front comes to a sudden stop". So if the Civic couldn't stop when OP used 75% braking, that's not a reasonable distance.

The silver Nissan pickup in front of OP stopped and it doesn't appear to use max braking to do it. OP stopped without using max braking. The Civic's failure to do so likely means the driver was following too closely, not paying attention, or both.
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Old 10-12-2013, 11:26 AM   #28
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Probably a transfer. Some 911 centers now answer with "do you need police, fire or ambulance?" and based on the first 5 seconds of info, transfer the call to a second operator to get more detailed info.



I agree that the dumbass in the blue truck is the first domino, esp if OP is correct that the box fell out of his bed and he stopped on a free flowing freeway to pick it up.

But the definition of "reasonable distance" is always going to be something like "far enough back to avoid an accident if the vehicle in front comes to a sudden stop". So if the Civic couldn't stop when OP used 75% braking, that's not a reasonable distance.

The silver Nissan pickup in front of OP stopped and it doesn't appear to use max braking to do it. OP stopped without using max braking. The Civic's failure to do so likely means the driver was following too closely, not paying attention, or both.
from what I've seen it's usually both.
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Driver in the blue pick-up is an idiot and shouldn't have been in the left lane with all that loose crap in the bed.
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Old 10-12-2013, 12:21 PM   #30
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Although I agree that if the blue truck did indeed drop a box on the fwy, then it did cause the accident, then if I were to take the report, I'd put the civic at fault actually. Per the vehicle code, a person must drive at a reasonable speed in regards to traffic or roadway conditions...in this case, a stopped truck on the highway. Because of this, as many of you have mentioned, you're supposed to give yourself enough space cushion etc in case something like this happens. The civic driver did not do so, swerved into the HOV lane and got creamed. It sucks, but the video does not prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the truck did drop something. However, I'd do everything in my power to write the report as though the blue truck caused the accident and putting the primary collision factor as "other than driver."
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Old 10-12-2013, 01:14 PM   #32
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You should get the pick-up's license plate from the video and give it the folks involved in the accident. He caused it, and I'm sure their insurance companies will go after him (and rightfully so)

I'm all for keeping a good following distance, but at highway speeds, sh!t can happen pretty quickly when an unexpected variable is thrown in the mix (Flying box)
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Old 10-12-2013, 02:07 PM   #33
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I have a fist rule to keep half a tacho distance. It's pretty common over here as a rule (not that a lot of People do it, but I do). 130 kph, I keep about 65 meters between me and the car in front (easy to measure since lightpost are 50m apart). 90kph, I keep about 45 m etc. (Europe here, metric system)
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Old 10-12-2013, 02:38 PM   #34
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Nice driving lads ,I noticed that O p was the only one usein his rear V. Mirrors ,but he only done that because of the R ,t ,a . If you keep A proper distance according to your rate of travel ,your chances of geting home safe are Good ,as long as you keep an eye in yourR V mirrors for the idiot driving to close to. You ,and the one that is trying to Undertake you .the place you are at most risk is a couple of miles from home when you relax . In 2.5 million miles I have found that is the Case ..A's you young cop,s & lawyers. Know the only winners in an r t a case is the lawyer. Safe. Driving.
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Probably a transfer. Some 911 centers now answer with "do you need police, fire or ambulance?" and based on the first 5 seconds of info, transfer the call to a second operator to get more detailed info.

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Esp on the freeway, if you have to jam on the brakes, as soon as you judge the distance in front, next step is to check your rearview mirror. A handful of times over the years, I've managed to avoid being hit from behind by doing so.

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Although I agree that if the blue truck did indeed drop a box on the fwy, then it did cause the accident, then if I were to take the report, I'd put the civic at fault actually. Per the vehicle code, a person must drive at a reasonable speed in regards to traffic or roadway conditions...in this case, a stopped truck on the highway. Because of this, as many of you have mentioned, you're supposed to give yourself enough space cushion etc in case something like this happens. The civic driver did not do so, swerved into the HOV lane and got creamed. It sucks, but the video does not prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the truck did drop something. However, I'd do everything in my power to write the report as though the blue truck caused the accident and putting the primary collision factor as "other than driver."
I formally request that some day you put the primary collision factor for some accident as "cuz Xcelratr from E46OT said so", please. I look forward to that thread. It will be a great day, with much rejoicing, and fine meats and cheeses.
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