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Old 10-15-2013, 03:12 PM   #81
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I'd say if we shrunk it to 20% of it's current size that would be optimal. But I'd take as high as 60%.
Why 20-60%? I commend you for being (at least somewhat) politically aware at your age....I'm but 10 years older than you and I know I wasn't very dialed in to politics at the time. However, the one thing I find odd is that you are heavy on vague ideals and light on any sort of detail. The above quoted comment is a perfect example of that.
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Why 20-60%? I commend you for being (at least somewhat) politically aware at your age....I'm but 10 years older than you and I know I wasn't very dialed in to politics at the time. However, the one thing I find odd is that you are heavy on vague ideals and light on any sort of detail. The above quoted comment is a perfect example of that.
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I'd say if we shrunk it to 20% of it's current size that would be optimal. But I'd take as high as 60%.
How did you arrive at these numbers?

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How about the obesity problem that liberals rally around? This is worsened by the government?
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Oh my look at this crazy libertarian! He wants a little government intervention that's so crazy I thought they wanted chaos!
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You think that because I'm against a police state that I'm going to get rid of all police. Actually, my government will have harsher policies against violent crime like murder and rape.
Read thoroughly. I never made any such claim.

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To the point that the appropriate size of the government is blurred between the political parties. Republicans typically say it's too big, Democrats say it's too small. For the most part, both parties now say it is too big.
Really? I haven't heard that.

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It is too big.
But you can neither quantify by how much it is too big nor explain which parts you'd cut and/or keep. You'd like to cut it to 20% based on what? Yet, somehow, you've arrived at the number that 60% of current size would be worth settling for.
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Why 20-60%? I commend you for being (at least somewhat) politically aware at your age....I'm but 10 years older than you and I know I wasn't very dialed in to politics at the time. However, the one thing I find odd is that you are heavy on vague ideals and light on any sort of detail. The above quoted comment is a perfect example of that.
Thank you. And I'm deliberately vague because what exactly must be cut(I'll check my past threads and make up a list of my ideas.) is just opinion. But the fact that the government cannot survive at its current size is undeniable. The budget simply can't support a government this large.

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How did you arrive at these numbers?
It's just an estimate. I would check into how much the budget has to be reduced in order to sustain an actual government and go from there.

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Without getting too much into it, I would stop government intervention. The same people who claim to be anti-corporate are betrayed by their government because what they don't know is that government subsidizes things like sugar and corn producers. This makes sugar and corn syrup cheaper to produce which in turn gives unhealthy food a low price and healthy food a high price.

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"Now let me be clear." (Did you get the reference?) I will keep the EPA but its size will be drastically reduced as well. It served its purpose in the 70's but once most of the work it could do was done, it just became a money waster.

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Say what you want. You insinuated it.

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But you can neither quantify by how much it is too big nor explain which parts you'd cut and/or keep. You'd like to cut it to 20% based on what? Yet, somehow, you've arrived at the number that 60% of current size would be worth settling for.
I'm looking for my list in another thread.
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It's just an estimate. I would check into how much the budget has to be reduced in order to sustain an actual government and go from there.
OK, before we go any further. Or actually, in ORDER for us to go any further...

Are you really serious about this? If you want to think about whether your ideas are realistic, here's a few tools:

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OK, before we go any further. Or actually, in ORDER for us to go any further...

Are you really serious about this? If you want to think about whether your ideas are realistic, here's a few tools:

NY Times Budget Puzzle
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Take a crack at any of these and post a screenshot of what you come up with!
the first one is a bit dated, but man, just reducing our military spending will at least cut in 1/2 the 2015 shortfall. Get things back to pre-9/11 levels. And i'd be ok with raising the age limit for SS

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Why 20-60%? I commend you for being (at least somewhat) politically aware at your age....I'm but 10 years older than you and I know I wasn't very dialed in to politics at the time. However, the one thing I find odd is that you are heavy on vague ideals and light on any sort of detail. The above quoted comment is a perfect example of that.
In this day and age, our generation is being forced to rebuild this crumbling nation thus taking on a general curiosity for politics at a much younger age so as to get a jump start on the lifelong challenges that await us. The generations before us obviously didn't give a damn if they put the nation into the state it's in today. Prior to 2008, life was swell.
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Europeans are stoopid. They keep splitting countries, while being jealous of our powa. Of course the EU is good for them, but does that have any real power?

Not even mentioning the efficiencies of larger countries.

As divided as this country is, at least we are one.

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In this day and age, our generation is being forced to rebuild this crumbling nation thus taking on a general curiosity for politics at a much younger age so as to get a jump start on the lifelong challenges that await us. The generations before us obviously didn't give a damn if they put the nation into the state it's in today. Prior to 2008, life was swell.
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Of course it is relative, but my opinion is that current government is too large.
Great. Your opinion and $4.50 and I can buy a latte.

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Obviously, this is a generalization. Not everyone plays the victim card. But most do. Welcome to 'murica.
Obviously most don't. If they did you would have much higher unemployment. It would be over 50% because all those victims would be looking for handouts. The truth is most americans are hard working, industrious people who are not playing the victim card. But, that story doesn't play well on tv (regardless of the network)

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Thank you for accepting that anarchy is not the same as free market.
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I've said many times that I will keep pollution controls. But green energy is a different story.
So you are against government regulations for business, except when they suit you. That makes you no better than any other political hack.

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Why do all the opponents of libertarianism think that we are going to disband the entire government and let people run free killing each other. This is just unrealistic.
Don't worry, I know libertarians aren't going to do that, even if you/they could magically control the government. You/they don't have the balls. It is the biggest issue I have with libertarians, at the end of the day, they never seem to really have the courage of their convictions.



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I've also gone over this, but here is a summary. Any money I get from my parents was given to me by them voluntarily and they were not forced to do so by the government. I also don't believe I'm entitled to it.
This has nothing to do with your parents. You don't have to take the money, and yet you do. You claim to be all for people standing on their own two feet and people "helping themselves". Yet, you are merely helping yourself to other people's money. They are freely offering it and that is generous of them. But, you are taking it. You are no better than those leeching the welfare system. Whether either of you feel entitled to it is irrelevant. It is an action, pure and simple. Your personal action is no better or worse than theirs.


When you are really standing on your own two feet and really "helping yourself", then come tell me how bad all these other people are and how f**ked up this all is. Until then, you are merely a spectator.
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I'm sorry, but, that is just a stupid f-ing remark.

Oh please...cry me a f**king river. The generations before you were taking on more than a general curiosity about politics. They were taking on politics. You might not agree with their stances in the 60's, 70's, & 80's, but they were as, if not more, directly active than people are today.

Maybe you are to young to have heard the cries of deficit spending in the 80's and how the younger generations would be saddled with this problem. But, hey...It's not on youtube so it must not have happened. The world existed before the net and prior to 2008 we were just as f**ked.

I won't even go into the politics of teenagers and early 20-somethings in the 60's & 70's.

Seriously...talk about playing the victim card. Grow a bleepin pair...for cryin out loud.
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I'm sorry, but, that is just a stupid f-ing remark.

Oh please...cry me a f**king river. The generations before you were taking on more than a general curiosity about politics. They were taking on politics. You might not agree with their stances in the 60's, 70's, & 80's, but they were as, if not more, directly active than people are today.

Maybe you are to young to have heard the cries of deficit spending in the 80's and how the younger generations would be saddled with this problem. But, hey...It's not on youtube so it must not have happened. The world existed before the net and prior to 2008 we were just as f**ked.

I won't even go into the politics of teenagers and early 20-somethings in the 60's & 70's.

Seriously...talk about playing the victim card. Grow a bleepin pair...for cryin out loud.
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I'm sorry, but, that is just a stupid f-ing remark.

Oh please...cry me a f**king river. The generations before you were taking on more than a general curiosity about politics. They were taking on politics. You might not agree with their stances in the 60's, 70's, & 80's, but they were as, if not more, directly active than people are today.

Maybe you are to young to have heard the cries of deficit spending in the 80's and how the younger generations would be saddled with this problem. But, hey...It's not on youtube so it must not have happened. The world existed before the net and prior to 2008 we were just as f**ked.

I won't even go into the politics of teenagers and early 20-somethings in the 60's & 70's.

Seriously...talk about playing the victim card. Grow a bleepin pair...for cryin out loud.
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