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Old 10-16-2013, 02:47 PM   #21
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fix what doctors and hospitals charge first.

one band aid costs $10. how do you justify that?
Probably the same reason why a mini-bar item in a hotel costs an arm and a leg. You're not just paying for the band aid. You're paying for a procurement person to order the band aid, then you're paying for the AP/AR person in accounting to account for it, then you're paying for the shipping and receiving guy to get the order, then there's the stock person who sorts it, then it has to get to the correct location for it to be used by the person putting your band aid on.
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Old 10-16-2013, 02:47 PM   #22
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one band aid costs $10. how do you justify that?
I think that's part of what I had said. Sorry not to make that clear. Hopefully that ridiculous BS will stop.
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I wasn't aware that this was a "promise" to everyone, but I do remember seeing that if someones rates went up less than they normally would have, then that = lowering someones rate. Mathematically it's true, I suppose.
lol his glittering speeches were saying that this would make healthcare affordable for everyone. We all knew it was BS, but still fodder to call him out on another glorious lie.

As for "lowering rates" that's about the same as "cutting spending" when they say that they will only increase spending 100 billion instead of the 200 billion they had originally wanted.
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fix what doctors and hospitals charge first.

one band aid costs $10. how do you justify that?
You don't. They just give you a massive middle finger, because what are you gonna do - go to another hospital that orders the same equipment?

An IV bag costs < $1 to make. They charge $546 for 6 liters of it. Then you get charged for administration of it, as well as "IV Therapy," because IV administration isn't enough to charge you for.

You end up paying well over 1000x the cost of a single IV bag.
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lol his glittering speeches were saying that this would make healthcare affordable for everyone. We all knew it was BS, but still fodder to call him out on another glorious lie.

As for "lowering rates" that's about the same as "cutting spending" when they say that they will only increase spending 100 billion instead of the 200 billion they had originally wanted.
lol

At the end of the day you're still spending more....less more, but less none the less.

That's right.
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I think that's part of what I had said. Sorry not to make that clear. Hopefully that ridiculous BS will stop.
Honestly, if you really wanted to bring competition to the market place you could have extended medicare into some sort of government branded health care with set prices. Make the private insurance companies have to compete with those rates, and make the medical providers have to do the same with their $10 band aids.

Constiutional? Probably not, but I have a feeling that it doesn't matter anymore. Feel good law for all!
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You don't. They just give you a massive middle finger, because what are you gonna do - go to another hospital that orders the same equipment?
it's not like you get a quote first, just an itemized bill weeks later.
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So from what you were told:
- everyone's rates are going to be the same;
- health is no longer a factor (I assume this refers to pre-existing conditions?);
- subsidies will be available for lower earners.

So how are those new subsidies for lower earners paid for, if nobody's rates are going up? I don't understand how that can possibly be true.
The premise is young people are healthier, don't require much medical expense and attention, so they pay into the system funding the elderly who need care more. Sounds almost like Social Security...

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one band aid costs $10. how do you justify that?


Guys, go read the ACA and you'll see a lot of your inquiries have been addressed. Thanks
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Honestly, if you really wanted to bring competition to the market place you could have extended medicare into some sort of government branded health care with set prices. Make the private insurance companies have to compete with those rates, and make the medical providers have to do the same with their $10 band aids.

Constiutional? Probably not, but I have a feeling that it doesn't matter anymore. Feel good law for all!
the GOP loves to show their pocket constitutions, but they hate to actually follow the law.
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lol his glittering speeches were saying that this would make healthcare affordable for everyone. We all knew it was BS, but still fodder to call him out on another glorious lie.

As for "lowering rates" that's about the same as "cutting spending" when they say that they will only increase spending 100 billion instead of the 200 billion they had originally wanted.
I've chuckled (ruefully) at the recent rhetoric that "we've said all along that there'd be winners and losers in this new plan." That wasn't part of the original sales pitch that I remember, although I could be wrong.
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I've chuckled (ruefully) at the recent rhetoric that "we've said all along that there'd be winners and losers in this new plan." That wasn't part of the original sales pitch that I remember, although I could be wrong.
exactly, amazing how people forget or just don't care a week after a politician says anything...yet hang by it and argue for it right after they say it.
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the GOP loves to show their pocket constitutions, but they hate to actually follow the law.
You do relize that there is a BIG difference in the CONSTITUTION and a LAW, right?

DOMA was the LAW
Illegal immigration was against the LAW
etc., etc.
Obama and Holder choose which laws they wishes to enforce.

The pres, congress, etc. are sworn to uphold the CONSTITUTION.
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answers in red.

What are your responses to the questions?
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I've chuckled (ruefully) at the recent rhetoric that "we've said all along that there'd be winners and losers in this new plan." That wasn't part of the original sales pitch that I remember, although I could be wrong.
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exactly, amazing how people forget or just don't care a week after a politician says anything...yet hang by it and argue for it right after they say it.
Us individuals with health insurance don't really see much benefit from this act. It's mainly for those who can't afford health care or need better coverage. Like I said, it's like social security when you start to think about it.
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1. No
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And do you attribute #'s 2 and 3 directly to "Obamacare"?
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And do you attribute #'s 2 and 3 directly to "Obamacare"?
I think it's fair to assume that BB BMW was not in the meeting deciding what factors were going to affect #2 and #3 thus any answer he could provide to your question would likely be completely meaningless due to its complete lack of factual basis to reach such a conclusion...
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I think it's fair to assume that BB BMW was not in the meeting deciding what factors were going to affect #2 and #3 thus any answer he could provide to your question would likely be completely meaningless due to its complete lack of factual basis to reach such a conclusion...
I agree, but having seen his posts over the years I was expecting him to blame it on the ACA.
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Obamacare is not mandatory
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lol

At the end of the day you're still spending more....less more, but less none the less.

That's right.
I had to read this three times, then my eyes rolled back in my head.

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