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Old 10-17-2013, 01:34 PM   #41
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We should have totally defaulted on the debt.
dissolving the country would probably work better. No America? No American debt. Let all the states spin off into sovereign nations.
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Old 10-17-2013, 01:41 PM   #42
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We should have totally defaulted on the debt.
Fortunately, the mature, rational adults finally stepped in to stop this nihilist plunge into the financial abyss.
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Old 10-17-2013, 02:31 PM   #43
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Fortunately, the mature, rational adults finally stepped in to stop this nihilist plunge into the financial abyss.


That's a joke right? This situation should have never happened. There was a cause and effect. I still hold every politician accountable. The view must be great on that horse of yours.
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The Republicans failed on every level here.

It is like a kid that is told that he cannot go to a party. He wants to go, so he sneaks out of the house. He arrives to the party, doesn't even go in, and has a change of heart and goes home only to be caught by his parents and punished for sneaking out. Maroons, lose-lose
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Yes, of course this situation never should have happened, but neither do I buy into the false equivalency meme the Republicans so often try to slide on. One side and one side only was responsible for perpetrating this failed extortion scheme by holding the functioning of our government and then our whole economy hostage to their particular policy demands.

The GOP/TP didn't get their way regarding ACA or how the budget looked through the normal democratic processes - because they lost in the 2012 election in the House (lost seats and actually received about 1mil fewer total votes), Senate and White House -- so they subverted to tools of those processes to create nothing more than a hostage/extortion situation. These weren't requests for "negotiations" or "compromise" in any real, normal sense of the terms but rather, a desperate gambit to force compliance and capitulation by holding a gun to the head of our government and economy, threatening disruption and far worse unless their demands were met. This was far outside the normal rough and tumble give-and-take of our democratic process.

Fortunately, this odious overreach by the TP, aided and abetted by the GOP in general (if out of fear of the TP), failed miserably and the TP and GOP will take a well-deserved big hit on their already cratered public approval ratings, a wound that may well haunt them in the 2014 elections and beyond.
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The Republicans failed on every level here.

It is like a kid that is told that he cannot go to a party. He wants to go, so he sneaks out of the house. He arrives to the party, doesn't even go in, and has a change of heart and goes home only to be caught by his parents and punished for sneaking out. Maroons, lose-lose
how does that example even compare?
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how does that example even compare?
It is the only way he can relate to it
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how does that example even compare?
Come on. How do you not get it. The Republicans are the maroons.
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so are the democrats the parents? or the kids already in the party that the kid who snuck out is trying to get in to?
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how does that example even compare?
Really?

Ok, the republicans did something they knew would get them in trouble (trouble here = losing votes, seats, etc.). The rub is that they were sacrificing getting in trouble to get something that they wanted (aka go to the party). At the end of the day they got in trouble for nothing, accomplished nothing and are worse off.

In other words, they got in trouble and got nothing that they wanted. This is pretty basic.

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shutting down government - sneaking out of the house
getting punished - losing seats
party - delay obamacare/more cuts to spending/etc
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Really?

Ok, the republicans did something they knew would get them in trouble (trouble here = losing votes, seats, etc.). The rub is that they were sacrificing getting in trouble to get something that they wanted (aka go to the party). At the end of the day they got in trouble for nothing, accomplished nothing and are worse off.

In other words, they got in trouble and got nothing that they wanted. This is pretty basic.

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shutting down government - sneaking out of the house
getting punished - losing seats
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You're as bad at analogies like a guy who goes to get to the store to buy dog food but then gets yelled at by his wife because he forgot to throw out the garbage.
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You're as bad at analogies like a guy who goes to get to the store to buy dog food but then gets yelled at by his wife because he forgot to throw out the garbage.
yeah no, you're just not smart.

there's no reason to go through this entire thing just to give up at the end for nothing. Complete stupidity.
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Media sold the Republican approach as strictly tied to Obamacare.
Maybe that's because the Republicans, specifically the elected Tea Party reps, kept putting forth a resolution that had changes to Obamacare, such as asking for a year's delay, to nix the medical tax, etc.

In sum, Republicans did that to themselves.

And yes, I read one of the CR's put forth by the House and the 6 versions of it - one the member ti317 posted on here.

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yeah no, you're just not smart.

there's no reason to go through this entire thing just to give up at the end for nothing. Complete stupidity.
Oh, I get it. It's kind of like if the Republicans are a kid who isn't getting what he wants. He walks over to the wall and starts banging his head into the wall.

You're saying it's idiotic to stop banging your head before you do too much damage. Better continue to bash your head into the wall until you pass out or you get your way. Whichever comes first.

Makes sense. You're smart.
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Oh, I get it. It's kind of like if the Republicans are a kid who isn't getting what he wants. He walks over to the wall and starts banging his head into the wall.

You're saying it's idiotic to stop banging your head before you do too much damage. Better continue to bash your head into the wall until you pass out or you get your way. Whichever comes first.

Makes sense. You're smart.
perhaps if I put it in whatever language they spoke in the sh!tfvckdick eastern european country you came from you'd get it
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Maybe that's because the Republicans, specifically the elected Tea Party reps, kept putting forth a resolution that had changes to Obamacare, such as asking for a year's delay, to nix the medical tax, etc.
Why do unions and businesses get a delay and why is that ok?
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Why do unions and businesses get a delay and why is that ok?
sorry, not sure what you're getting at?
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perhaps if I put it in whatever language they spoke in the sh!tfvckdick eastern european country you came from you'd get it
That's a smart joke coming from a smart person. Don't be mad because my analogy is better. Get a helmet, though.
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