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Old 10-22-2013, 01:22 PM   #1
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Now you all know that we have gone over this many times, but I figured it'd be good to make some more points.

When I was a kid, I never trusted government. I was very big into conspiracy theories like the government being behind 9/11 and such. I don't really believe things like this anymore but my distrust of government stayed. For a while, I thought this meant I was a Republican. So it amazed me that they campaigned for less government but when the time came to make a decision, they went back on their principles. And the rest of the time, they complained that drugs and gays were ruining our country and this made no sense to me whatsoever because I didn't care about how other people lived their lives. Then in 2009 the show Parks and Recreation premiered, and I saw the character Ron Swanson. He is a Libertarian not only for the show but in real life as well. I had never heard of libertarianism before so I started researching and found out that I wasn't the only one who thought this way and that I didn't have to conform to one of the two parties. When I heard the term "Independent" during an election, it basically meant they weren't a serious candidate. So the point is that maybe more people are Libertarian than they realize. Here's a video to help you out. Although he is on FOX News(the only network that will keep him), John Stossel is a popular Libertarian who had the respect of the late great economist, Milton Friedman. Enjoy.

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You argue in the most typical way, bagher. You dismiss anyone you disagree with as being stupid.
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Ron Swanson is a caricature that you are basing your political beliefs on.
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You don't know you are a libertarian. You may think you are. You still have much to learn. Marshmallow, you are studying political science, correct? I would recommend taking a few higher level political philosophy/theory classes--it might enlighten you. Currently your biggest failing is that you lean towards an ideology and expect it to have all the answers. Later on, hopefully, you will learn that is not the case. Each ideology has its shortfalls. Understanding each ideology and the value each can provide to situations is what will make you the free thinker you claim to be. Until then, you are confined to the prison of a single ideology.

Your list of idols are short and the media types with the exception of Friedman. I think you need to source information from a list of actual intellectuals rather than fictional characters (both news and drama). For Friedman, he is a great mind in economics, however there are many great economic minds whose ideas are worth exploring. Many will present ideas that challenge your current beliefs. Some you may disagree with, many will provide deeper thinking and understanding of a subject.

Until then I would encourage you not to enthusiastically wave any flags of allegiance.
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Also, Friedman was a staunch anti-protectionist. Do you know why? Do you know and understand the arguments for protectionism, do you understand the arguments against it?
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The thing you don't seem to understand despite everything I've said is that Libertarianism is not an ideology if you consider Democratic and Republican to be ideologies. I believe that no one's life should be run by the people in government and that the best way that government can help people is to get out of the way and let people make their own choices. The Ron Swanson character simply told me the word Libertarian. I'm not basing my ideas on him. They are mostly based on what I believe to be true. Then I discovered Friedman. And you mention that he is anti-protectionism. What gave you the idea that I'd be for it?
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I'm talking in the sense of Libertarianism being a political party. We aren't normal in that we don't push our beliefs on people.
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The thing you don't seem to understand despite everything I've said is that Libertarianism is not an ideology if you consider Democratic and Republican to be ideologies. I believe that no one's life should be run by the people in government and that the best way that government can help people is to get out of the way and let people make their own choices. The Ron Swanson character simply told me the word Libertarian. I'm not basing my ideas on him. They are mostly based on what I believe to be true.
And that is why you are not qualified for any discussions you attempt to inject yourself into.

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Then I discovered Friedman. And you mention that he is anti-protectionism. What gave you the idea that I'd be for it?
I was suggesting that you don't know the reasons for or against a particular position. You are not the free thinker you claim or wish to be. You are a party cheerleader and a hipster. You believe you are cool, edgy, and rebellious because you cheer for an ideology that you consider not in the mainstream. Congrats, you are not better than the dopes you despise.
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And that is why you are not qualified for any discussions you attempt to inject yourself into.
So I'm not qualified because I don't push my own beliefs on others?

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I was suggesting that you don't know the reasons for or against a particular position. You are not the free thinker you claim or wish to be. You are a party cheerleader and a hipster. You believe you are cool, edgy, and rebellious because you cheer for an ideology that you consider not in the mainstream. Congrats, you are not better than the dopes you despise.
I don't like protectionism because it is an intrusion of government into the market. What more is there to say about it?
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I'm talking in the sense of Libertarianism being a political party. We aren't normal in that we don't push our beliefs on people.
http://www.lp.org/

http://www.lp.org/have-you-seen-thes...rian-party-now

what do you mean by "we don't push our beliefs on people"? How do other parties "push their beliefs on people"?
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http://www.lp.org/have-you-seen-thes...rian-party-now

what do you mean by "we don't push our beliefs on people"? How do other parties "push their beliefs on people"?
Democrats and Republicans are the same party. They both want the government to run everyone's lives for them. Our "ideology" is that you should be able to run your own life, so we get government out of the way. We aren't pushing beliefs on people, rather we pull government away.
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Point? He's taking a sarcastic photo in a pool. Obama smoked weed but I don't see you bringing that up. Clinton had an affair with a fat girl.
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So I'm not qualified because I don't push my own beliefs on others?
You just don't get it.


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I don't like protectionism because it is an intrusion of government into the market. What more is there to say about it?
Continued demonstration that you have no idea what you are talking about. Your vague answer has little to do with economics. There is a ton to say about protectionism:

-it hurts the consumer's purchasing power
-typically protected industries are areas where America has lost competitiveness

Those are two economic impacts of protectionism. You haven't even explored the political sides:

-typically pushed by local politicians for voting purposes.
-local politicians are not as mobile therefore they think locally not globally by protecting industry in their area.

Very basic. And that is one side of the protectionist argument. Your stupid standardized "intrusion of government" response isn't even a factor.
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Democrats and Republicans are the same party. They both want the government to run everyone's lives for them. Our "ideology" is that you should be able to run your own life, so we get government out of the way. We aren't pushing beliefs on people, rather we pull government away.
Libertarians believe in semi-anarchy. Were they in power, they would impose semi-anarchy. How do they not push their beliefs on other people?


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