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Old 10-22-2013, 04:24 PM   #81
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So why do they go to work for the government? It's definitely not the protected jobs, the higher than average salaries, the unions, the privileges, the opportunity to get rich through corruption, etc.
The idea that I can do something more than make money. There's a lot more money to be made being corrupt on the outside. Also, those looking to be criminals will be criminals wherever they go. The union isn't open to all federal employees. Stability is a benefit, but every time you change jobs/get promoted, you lose tenure. I have yet to meet one corrupt federal employee. How many do you know?

What privileges do I get as a government employee? I haven't found any yet.

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Why does Marshy want to join the government by becoming a politician when he wants to get rid of it?

Money and the power. Like most of those before him.
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I think it's more than some. Government work is some of the easiest and least strenuous.


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I'm not fully getting rid of the government. Try to keep that in mind everyone.
oh that's right, I forget. You want to change the government for the better.

We've seen and heard that before...

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So why do they go to work for the government? It's definitely not the protected jobs, the higher than average salaries, the unions, the privileges, the opportunity to get rich through corruption, etc.
Are you serious?

There are some pretty cool jobs in the Federal Govt, especial within the DOD/Military, State Dept, Federal Law Enforcement, and Intelligence Community.

That's why. You can do things your average citizen cannot. You can travel to hostile areas, you can develop policy or foreign policy, and you defend this country.

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I'm not fully getting rid of the government. Try to keep that in mind everyone.
Just imposing 90% cuts without a shred of an idea of what those organizations do.


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We are in the same generation and I'm not sure what conceiving a child at 10 has to do with anything, lol. However, I am not Lucy from the story below quite like you seem to be.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/wait-b...b_3930620.html
this is the first time I have seen this. Awesome! Decades of affluence and no real struggles.

It's all a big fraud.
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We know. In fact, I expect you won't be doing much in life. You are bred for a life of frustration and failure in your cubicle.
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The idea that I can do something more than make money. There's a lot more money to be made being corrupt on the outside. Also, those looking to be criminals will be criminals wherever they go. The union isn't open to all federal employees. Stability is a benefit, but every time you change jobs/get promoted, you lose tenure. I have yet to meet one corrupt federal employee. How many do you know?

What privileges do I get as a government employee? I haven't found any yet.

There's no private organization that does what we do.
How can you be corrupt in a free market? That doesn't make sense. If you really knew a corrupt employee I'd be surprised because it's not likely something they'd talk about and neither would you.

If you don't have any privileges from working in government, why are you there?

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oh that's right, I forget. You want to change the government for the better.

We've seen and heard that before...

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With how fanatical I am about this do you really think that I'm spouting lies and will do the opposite in office?
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Are you serious?

There are some pretty cool jobs in the Federal Govt, especial within the DOD/Military, State Dept, Federal Law Enforcement, and Intelligence Community.

That's why. You can do things your average citizen cannot. You can travel to hostile areas, you can develop policy or foreign policy, and you defend this country.
So cool jobs are why people work for government? Not sure if you knew this but private industry isn't just sweat shop jobs.

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Just imposing 90% cuts without a shred of an idea of what those organizations do.
How about this. I won't cut that much but I'm cutting enough to allow this country to survive.

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We know. In fact, I expect you won't be doing much in life. You are bred for a life of frustration and failure in your cubicle.
K. How old are you? I want to make sure you will see my accomplishments.
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K. How old are you? I want to make sure you will see my accomplishments.
I could be 12 and never live long enough to see your "accomplishments".
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So cool jobs are why people work for government? Not sure if you knew this but private industry isn't just sweat shop jobs.
I never said they were. You're the one that thinks govt people are lazy and just in it for the job security.

I'll tell you something, govt workers join the govt because some have a higher calling and want to make a difference. That's what motivates them.

Some can even leave to the private sector and make more money but they choose to stay. Why? Because their careers are rewarding and they are happy with what they do. They like making a difference.


Did you read Maslows theory like I suggested you to? Bet not.

I don't expect you to has any idea what it means to serve or have a sense of service. You sit there and b*tch and have "debates" in class. So F*** you, kid







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How can you be corrupt in a free market? That doesn't make sense. If you really knew a corrupt employee I'd be surprised because it's not likely something they'd talk about and neither would you.

If you don't have any privileges from working in government, why are you there?



I've seen first hand.



With how fanatical I am about this do you really think that I'm spouting lies and will do the opposite in office?
I'm not even sure where to begin. But I'll try.

You're the one saying I've got privileges as a govvie. What privileges do I have? Please list them for me, as I really don't know. You say I'm paid too much? How much should I be making? I'd say I'm actually underpaid for what I do, but my position hasn't been reclassified to accurately reflect my duties. Maybe in all my downtime from my easy job I should work on that.

You're absolutely adorable. "Corruption doesn't happen in a free market".

You've seen first hand what? How many government employees do you personally know? How many have you been on the job with?

It's not that we think you're spouting lies. We just think that with your current attitude, you're going nowhere fast.


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I never said they were. You're the one that thinks govt people are lazy and just in it for the job security.

I'll tell you something, govt workers join the govt because some have a higher calling and want to make a difference. That's what motivates them.

Some can even leave to the private sector and make more money but they choose to stay. Why? Because their careers are rewarding and they are happy with what they do. They like making a difference.


Did you read Maslows theory like I suggested you to? Bet not.

I don't expect you to has any idea what it means to serve or have a sense of service. You sit there and b*tch and have "debates" in class. So F*** you, kid







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Shut your lazy government mouth. What have you ever done to earn anything from him? His daddy is a tax payer, dammit!


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I could be 12 and never live long enough to see your "accomplishments".
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I never said they were. You're the one that thinks govt people are lazy and just in it for the job security.

I'll tell you something, govt workers join the govt because some have a higher calling and want to make a difference. That's what motivates them.

Some can even leave to the private sector and make more money but they choose to stay. Why? Because their careers are rewarding and they are happy with what they do. They like making a difference.


Did you read Maslows theory like I suggested you to? Bet not.

I don't expect you to has any idea what it means to serve or have a sense of service. You sit there and b*tch and have "debates" in class. So F*** you, kid
Sure, there are exceptions, but if government employees were really doing their jobs to help people I wouldn't be so mad at the government. And yes, I did read the theory but I feel like you have opposing viewpoints. When it comes to the free market, you say how terrible people are. But when it comes to government, you say that everyone is just wonderful! This makes no sense.

Wow, I've never seen you lose your temper.
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Wow, I've never seen you lose your temper.
F*** you, I didn't loose my temper.

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You're so witty.



Sure, there are exceptions, but if government employees were really doing their jobs to help people I wouldn't be so mad at the government. And yes, I did read the theory but I feel like you have opposing viewpoints. When it comes to the free market, you say how terrible people are. But when it comes to government, you say that everyone is just wonderful! This makes no sense.
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Most are doing there jobs. It's Congress that's not. That's another problem. You can't distinguish between rank and file employees and elected officials. You think they are the same. It's the same way you don't even know what to cut when you think you do.

And how many times have I said I don't think capitalism is entirely bad. Remember what I said on Sunday in the other thread, about liking money just as much as the next guy?

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I'm not even sure where to begin. But I'll try.

You're the one saying I've got privileges as a govvie. What privileges do I have? Please list them for me, as I really don't know. You say I'm paid too much? How much should I be making? I'd say I'm actually underpaid for what I do, but my position hasn't been reclassified to accurately reflect my duties. Maybe in all my downtime from my easy job I should work on that.

You're absolutely adorable. "Corruption doesn't happen in a free market".

You've seen first hand what? How many government employees do you personally know? How many have you been on the job with?

It's not that we think you're spouting lies. We just think that with your current attitude, you're going nowhere fast.
I don't know what government job you do so you'd be the better person to determine the benefits. So if the job doesn't have benefits, good pay, or easy work, WHY ARE YOU STILL THERE? And don't tell me it's because you want to help people because unless you are delivering Meals on Wheels that's BS.

No comment on the government employees question.

So you agree with what I say but that I can't institute my plans? You talk like I'm a spoiled little brat.

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Shut your lazy government mouth. What have you ever done to earn anything from him? His daddy is a tax payer, dammit!
We certainly do not make our money back from the taxes we pay. The services do not add up. But we do benefit from government subsidies and handouts. So there is that.
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F*** you, I didn't loose my temper.





Most are doing there jobs. It's Congress that's not. That's another problem. You can't distinguish between rank and file employees and elected officials. You think they are the same. It's the same way you don't even know what to cut when you think you do.

And how many times have I said I don't think capitalism is entirely bad. Remember what I said on Sunday in the other thread, about liking money just as much as the next guy?
Didn't lose it? Ok.

Most are doing there jobs? That's a leap of faith. Obviously there are different groups of people in government but all the problems started at the top and worked their way down. Can we at least agree on that?

Well we are getting somewhere but what are your reservations about capitalism?
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Didn't lose it? Ok.

Most are doing there jobs? That's a leap of faith.
Really? And you're basing that off what? Your experience of what exactly?

Yes there are lazy people in the govt. But there are lazy people in the private sector too. I say most because of those lazy people. But the majority, from what I've seen, are good people - we're talking rank and file employees, DOD civilians, and the military.

I think it's a leap of faith that your "system" will work.

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Well we are getting somewhere but what are your reservations about capitalism?
Like I've said before, that in its pure form, won't entirely work. As badfast has said, it has gaps.

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Really? And you're basing that off what? Your experience of what exactly?

Yes there are lazy people in the govt. But there are lazy people in the private sector too. I say most because of those lazy people. But the majority, from what I've seen, are good people - we're talking rank and file employees, DOD civilians, and the military.

I think it's a leap of faith that your "system" will work.



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Like I've said before, that in its pure form, won't entirely work. As badfast has said, it has gaps.
People in the private sector who perform badly are more easily fired.

What are the gaps in capitalism?
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