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Old 10-22-2013, 03:16 PM   #1
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Bloated Federal Government Workforce???

Not so much it seems, federal employment is at 47-year low
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In September, before the government shutdown, the government had 2,723,000 employees, according to the latest job report, on a seasonally adjusted basis, which is down 3.1 percent from a year ago. This is the lowest figure since 1966. Until now, the lowest figure for the current century had been 2,724,000 federal employees in October 2004, when George W. Bush was seeking a second term in the White House.

Now, the federal government employs exactly 2 percent of the people with jobs in this country. In 1966, the figure was more than twice that, 4.3 percent.
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Old 10-22-2013, 03:40 PM   #2
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Quick! Get Marshmallow in here!

It's like I said, the total govt workforce is a very small percentage of the total US population.
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Old 10-22-2013, 03:42 PM   #3
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"They". Again with this idea that white people are a singular organism with a single will.

Individuals make choices and take actions. Sometimes their race informs their choices and actions, sometimes it does not.
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Old 10-22-2013, 03:46 PM   #4
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so then what's everyone complaining about?

Summary of Marshmallow with some ad lib:

M: Government is too big!

Ok, how big is it?

M: I don't know, it's just too big!

Points to figures...

M: *mind blown* No, no, that can't be! We must cut it 90%!

Ok, what would you cut?

M: I don't know! Just cut it!

Ok, how small a government do you want?

M:
I don't know, just cut it!

I see where this is going...

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Old 10-22-2013, 03:48 PM   #5
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Quick! Get Marshmallow in here!

It's like I said, the total govt workforce is a very small percentage of the total US population.
+1

I know at least w/ ny state they are shedding the workforce like crazy. however the jobs still need to be done which leads the state to contract out the work(usually at a higher cost)
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Old 10-22-2013, 03:49 PM   #6
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I know at least w/ ny state they are shedding the workforce like crazy. however the jobs still need to be done which leads the state to contract out the work(usually at a higher cost)
yep good point on contract workforce.

For the federal govt, the contract workforce is huge, especially with the DOD
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Old 10-22-2013, 03:54 PM   #7
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Bloated Federal Government Workforce???

Our office is almost ten to one contractors to civilians.


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Old 10-22-2013, 04:05 PM   #8
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my agency contracts out quite a bit of work, all of it going to the lowest bidder. sometimes agency staff has to work along side of the contractors on contracted projects and quite often have to go back and fix the contractor's ****-ups.

I don't think people really understand that when the government says they are reducing the workforce, they don't necessarily mean the workload....
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Old 10-22-2013, 04:16 PM   #9
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See Marshmallow,

look at this...all this "small" government allowing for companies to do business and prosper
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Old 10-22-2013, 04:20 PM   #10
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Next they'll be contracting police, military, and firefighters.
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Next they'll be contracting police, military, and firefighters.
Hmmmm, Blackwater, or whatever they call themselves these days...
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Hmmmm, Blackwater, or whatever they call themselves these days...
Whoa whoa whoa. They are a completely legitimate organization just doing what the military can't because they're more efficient!


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Old 10-22-2013, 05:48 PM   #13
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I know at least w/ ny state they are shedding the workforce like crazy. however the jobs still need to be done which leads the state to contract out the work(usually at a higher cost)
The size of the federal workforce would be much less of an issue if they all didn't get guaranteed pensions.
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The size of the federal workforce would be much less of an issue if they all didn't get guaranteed pensions.
do you know how the Fed workforce pension is structured? Especially after it was revamped after ~1981?

It's a tiered system.

1/3 of it is Social Security that we pay into
1/3 of it is TSP (equivilant to a 401K that we pay into and is matched by the employer up to a limit - hey just like the private sector )
1/3 of it is an annuity that we pay into as well with a contribution from the employer.

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FERS is a retirement plan that provides benefits from three different sources: a Basic Benefit Plan, Social Security and the Thrift Savings Plan (TSP). Two of the three parts of FERS (Social Security and the TSP) can go with you to your next job if you leave the Federal Government before retirement. The Basic Benefit and Social Security parts of FERS require you to pay your share each pay period. Your agency withholds the cost of the Basic Benefit and Social Security from your pay as payroll deductions. Your agency pays its part too. Then, after you retire, you receive annuity payments each month for the rest of your life.
http://www.opm.gov/retirement-servic...s-information/

So it's not as extravagant as you think. And guess what? When we retire, it's taxed!

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Old 10-22-2013, 05:58 PM   #15
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note: law enforcement may be different (e.g. FBI, ATF, DEA, etc). Not sure though. Also, can't speak for Congress or the President.
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Old 10-22-2013, 06:16 PM   #16
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The size of the federal workforce would be much less of an issue if they all didn't get guaranteed pensions.
They don't. It takes a thirty year career (while paying into the pension system) to qualify for a pension.


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Old 10-22-2013, 06:22 PM   #17
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Quick! Get Marshmallow in here!

It's like I said, the total govt workforce is a very small percentage of the total US population.
Completely irrelevant and you know it.
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Old 10-22-2013, 06:23 PM   #18
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Re: Bloated Federal Government Workforce???

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Whoa whoa whoa. They are a completely legitimate organization just doing what the military can't because they're more efficient!


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I think these assertions are quite debatable, whether in regard to their "legitimacy" on whatever level (legal, ethical or moral) or even in terms of efficiency (by what measures and points of comparison?). All too often I think it taken as a presumed yet unexamined article of conservative faith that contracting out is always and necessarily better.
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Completely irrelevant and you know it.
yeah, i know how "irrelevant" these little factoids are to ol' Marshy.

He'd rather brush it aside and proclaim BIG GUBERMENT
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The size of the federal workforce would be much less of an issue if they all didn't get guaranteed pensions.
Regardless of which party is dominant, don't forget the mismanaged cost overruns necessary to perform any government function, the expensive infrastructure to house them, the perks needed to keep them motivated, and the list goes on and on...

but to your point, the federal government seems more concerned about their perks than whats actually good for the rest of society (afterthought). I mean after all, if both parties are concerned about balancing the budget, why haven't they taken pay cuts to help. People in the private sector do it all the time. Instead they just furlough, freeze hiring, and blame that we are not taxing enough.

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