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Old 10-23-2013, 04:53 PM   #1
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The Republican battle between mathematicians and priests

From a WaPo bit interviewing Mike Murphy, a longtime Republican consultant who has advised, among others, Mitt Romney, Arnold Schwarzenegger, John McCain and Jeb Bush:

FIX: You recently tweeted out that the fight within the Republican Party right now is between "mathematicians and priests." Explain.

Mike Murphy: There seem to be two schools of thought in GOP.

One group, the Mathematicians, look at the GOP's losing streak and the changing demography of the country and say the party needs to make real changes to attract voters beyond the old Republican base of white guys. Not just mechanics, but also policy. They want to modernize conservatism and change some of the old dogma on big issues like same sex marriage. I'm one of them.

The other group, the Priests, say the problem is we don't have enough ideological purity. We must have faith, be pure and nominate "real conservatives" (whatever that means; the Priests are a bit slippery about their definitions) who will fight without compromise against liberalism. The Priests are mostly focused on the sins we are against; they say our problem is a lack of intensity; if we are passionate and loud enough, we will alert and win over the rest of the country.

The Mathematicians hear all this and think the Priests are totally in a 55-year-old white guy echo chamber of their own creation and disconnected from the reality of today's electorate. They are worry more about what the party should be for, and how we grow our numbers. They think the Priests fail to understand it is not 1980 anymore and votes are not there for the Old Pitch.

The Priests hear the Mathematicians and think they are all sell-outs.

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The Republican battle between mathematicians and priests

So you got priests and mathematicians, but what about Marshmallows?






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They have Marshmallows.

that should read "in case of _____, whatever you do, don't break the glass".


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And even though their views are outdated, their motivations are based on 2000 year old scripture and they have nothing to offer in terms of policy, they will continue to control a significant portion of the government until redistricting and campaign finance laws are addressed.

It doesn't matter how bad they are.
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And even though their views are outdated, their motivations are based on 2000 year old scripture and they have nothing to offer in terms of policy, they will continue to control a significant portion of the government until redistricting and campaign finance laws are addressed.

It doesn't matter how bad they are.
lol now you want gerrymandering???
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lol now you want gerrymandering???
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I see, gerrymandering is unethical when the other side does it. You're a hoot!
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I see, gerrymandering is unethical when the other side does it. You're a hoot!
I have no idea what you're all about these days. You seem unhinged. No offense. It's just that coherence and moderation are a rare sight with you lately.

Maybe you should take a break from politics? Take up bird watching? Get out of that city you hate?
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And even though their views are outdated, their motivations are based on 2000 year old scripture and they have nothing to offer in terms of policy, they will continue to control a significant portion of the government until redistricting and campaign finance laws are addressed.

It doesn't matter how bad they are.
Nice way of stereotyping all Republicans into one category.

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I have no idea what you're all about these days. You seem unhinged. No offense. It's just that coherence and moderation are a rare sight with you lately.

Maybe you should take a break from politics? Take up bird watching? Get out of that city you hate?
you basically just said that republicans will only hold office until redistricting (aka gerrymandering)...which means you think districts should be gerrymandered to assure democrat majorities. In the past you have blamed republicans for gerrymandering. You're a fool.
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Nice way of stereotyping all Republicans into one category.
You, too, should know better.

I'm not talking about all Republican voters. You have to admit, though, that the politicians that make up the party have been abysmal.

The methods they're using to get elected are counterproductive and will hurt them and their party in the process. It's kind of like if your transmission started acting up, but you don't want to fix it, so you continue running it. Then it turns out, it will only work in 3rd gear. You know that you should get it fixed, but fvck it, just run in 3rd gear for now. You gotta get somewhere. As you do this, you know you're fvcking up your transmission beyond repair, but you keep doing it because at this point, you just want to get the mileage out of it that you can.

That's what the GOP looks like to me.
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I have no idea what you're all about these days. You seem unhinged. No offense. It's just that coherence and moderation are a rare sight with you lately.

Maybe you should take a break from politics? Take up bird watching? Get out of that city you hate?
oh yeah, you're also implying that republicans only hold office due to bad campaign finance laws while you ignore that democrats raise just as much, if not more, money. You're delusional little man.
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You're delusional little man.
And you should be taken seriously why?
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While both parties have partaken in gerrymandering, it strikes me that it is the GOP that is by far the most aggressive user of it these days.

One hint of its affect might be that while the GOP retains majority control of the House, in aggragate, that party actually received something like 1.5 million fewer votes than did the Democratic party. Given a "one man, one vote" ethos, I would think that the overall vote totals would roughly reflect a party's percentage in the House (especially) and that any significant divergance from that might well indicate some gerrymandering malarky going on. In other words, if a party has a 55% majority in the House, they roughly should have received about 55% of the votes cast in House elections, give or take a few percent. That the GOP has a majority in the house yet received a distinct minority of the votes cast makes me wonder just a little...

The Senate is configured a bit different and I would not expect a close comportment between the party percentages and vote percentages, but the House, that ought to be roughly equivalent.
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TIt's kind of like if your transmission started acting up, but you don't want to fix it, so you continue running it. Then it turns out, it will only work in 3rd gear. You know that you should get it fixed, but fvck it, just run in 3rd gear for now. You gotta get somewhere. As you do this, you know you're fvcking up your transmission beyond repair, but you keep doing it because at this point, you just want to get the mileage out of it that you can.

That's what the GOP looks like to me.
Pretty certain you just described Obamacare. Right?
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