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Old 11-20-2013, 07:32 PM   #1
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Remote Start on a Standard?

I finally have a ride nice enough to spoil, and I have every intention to do so.

Please help me help her.
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Old 11-20-2013, 08:09 PM   #2
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Disable the clutch switch, BMW Scanner may be the best way to do this, then you need a spare EWS transponder to allow the car to actually start.

Overall, not sure remove start with the manual is wise with the clutch switch bypassed/programmed out in case you forget and leave the car in gear.
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Old 11-20-2013, 09:57 PM   #3
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Re: Remote Start on a Standard?

Good choice of remote starter. All of what jfoj said.

What I did with my old focus was wire a relay to close the clutch switch wired into the output for the PATS bypass.

Also, using it in manual with reservation mode will prevent the car from rolling away when started. Unless you go under the car and put it in gear when it is off. But it is a pain to wire.
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Old 11-21-2013, 12:41 AM   #4
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Re: Remote Start on a Standard?

Thanks, it was a gift from my brother while I was driving my e39 some years ago. Mileage was pretty high, so I waited out for this one.

But anyway, thank you both for the input. EWS transponder, PATS bypass, pain to rewire, still sounds Greek to me, but I plan to keep wading around until I learn something.

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Old 11-21-2013, 01:35 AM   #5
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I noticed you mentioned you want to spoil your ride. Contrary to popular belief actually, remote start really doesn't do any good for the engine. In fact the idling is more harmful than just taking off and driving gently until up to temp. If you have a personal incentive, say maybe to spoil yourself by coming out to a warm interior and no ice on the windows, then by all means go for it! I had one on my SUV and I used it if I saw ice on the windshields out my window.

And, I'm sure you already know this but once that clutch switch is disabled you really can't leave your car in gear ever when you turn it off. You know, for a safety, what about tapping the neutral wire on the remote start to the e-brake switch? Sorry if I keep suggesting these things I don't mean to doubt your intelligence, just the possibility of a runaway car scares me.

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Old 11-21-2013, 01:53 AM   #6
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Fair enough, I regress.

Please help me help her help me.

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Old 11-21-2013, 02:08 AM   #7
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Re: Remote Start on a Standard?

I park it in neutral anyway. On level ground, that is. Would you advise against it? No doubt scary imagery, watching it just roll away.

But dude, I'm not offended. Idk dick about it. I'm appreciative of any and all opinions and yours. Just don't dare question my intelligence again.

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Old 11-21-2013, 02:11 AM   #8
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And, I'm sure you already know this but once that clutch switch is disabled you really can't leave your car in gear ever when you turn it off. You know, for a safety, what about tapping the neutral wire on the remote start to the e-brake switch? Sorry if I keep suggesting these things I don't mean to doubt your intelligence, just the possibility of a runaway car scares me.
With the compustar remote starter wired correctly and the little green wire clipped in the brain (manual transmission mode), the car must be put into reservation mode. To activate it, you must:
Once arrived at your destination, pull up on the parking brake
Let foot off brake petal
Shut the ignition off (car continues to run)
Get out of car

Once the door is closed the doors will lock and the car will shut off. If any doors or hood open, the system will disable the remote starter until reservation mode has been reset.

Now with that said, there are ways to bypass this. But if it is installed properly, there is very little chance of your car rolling away.

Again, this makes foe a lot more wiring, but it is totally worth it for the peace of mind.

But I will not install a remote starter in my BMW since I have a garage to keep it in. But when I didn't, I thought about it. It is all up to you.

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Old 11-21-2013, 02:17 AM   #9
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Thank you, all.

Now get on it.
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Old 11-21-2013, 02:24 AM   #10
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Engine block heater.. There is even a factory one. (Better mileage and warm engine = less wear)

Extended idle is BAD BAD for rings, valves, cat, and if your radiator fan fails,, poof no more engine..

Given the above average number of ways for things to go wrong with E46 cooling systems.. NOOOO!

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Old 11-21-2013, 02:29 AM   #11
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Good looking out, Dave.

Keep 'em coming.

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Old 11-21-2013, 02:37 AM   #12
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Remote Start on a Standard?

Cool news on the reservation mode. It sounds pretty foolproof because even after you've taken your key out it stays running so you "can't" leave it in gear while leaving the car. Smart. I've installed a couple remote starts in my time and never learned about that feature. Wonder if it'll let you pop the trunk without killing off reservation mode? I like to keep my bags back there

OP sounds like you got the right remote start for the job, if/when you go through with this I'd be interested to see which wires you tap and where. I imagine the computer interface takes care of most of the door locks and stuff. Don't know enough about the transponder keys to tell you how that'll work.


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Old 11-21-2013, 02:49 AM   #13
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Re: Remote Start on a Standard?

Thanks for all the comments, and still open to more.

If/when, I will post the progress to make sure you guys are going down with me.

Cheers.
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Old 11-22-2013, 01:42 AM   #14
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Remote Start on a Standard?

There's a DIY on remote starter. A buddy of mine wrote the only existing one for our cars.

On a side note, seeing as our cars are notorious for cooling issues, imagine it happening during remote start
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Old 11-22-2013, 01:01 PM   #15
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I'm a guy that learned to drive when cars still had solid steel dashboards, and the gas tank was behind the seat in my pick up truck.

I think remote start is an inherently bad idea and should not even be considered. I also live where the sun shines each and every day, and the birds are singing from the tree tops for hours before I have to take my car out of the barn.

What keeps somebody from parking the car and then putting the gear shift into a gear so that the car lurches forward through the garage wall and into the bedroom on the other side of that wall? What keeps somebody from putting the car in gear after Engine Off, so that the car can lurch forward when the remote start button is pressed and you are not looking at the car to see that there is not a child there to be pinned and crushed?

Remote start in an automatic is okay, I suppose, but in a car with a manual transmission it is nothing short of folly. In the car with an automatic, you can be sure the car is in either P or N when the remote start is activated, but in a car with a manual you have no idea what condition the car is in, and the result can be deadly in the worst case, and unreliable in the best case -- if the car does not smash through the wall because it's in gear, then it also isn't going to start and hence is unreliable.

I see nothing good in remote start in a car that has a manual transmission.

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Old 11-22-2013, 04:35 PM   #16
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I think the Reservation Mode pretty well addresses the overall manual transmission concern, see below. I would hope that if the car actually had an OEM alarm, even if the windows were down and someone decided to reach in an put the car in gear, no idea why anyone would want to do such a thing, then the alarm would trigger and could shut the Reservation Mode off and disable the remote start.

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With the compustar remote starter wired correctly and the little green wire clipped in the brain (manual transmission mode), the car must be put into reservation mode. To activate it, you must:
Once arrived at your destination, pull up on the parking brake
Let foot off brake petal
Shut the ignition off (car continues to run)
Get out of car

Once the door is closed the doors will lock and the car will shut off. If any doors or hood open, the system will disable the remote starter until reservation mode has been reset.
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Old 11-22-2013, 04:39 PM   #17
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I think the Reservation Mode pretty well addresses the overall manual transmission concern, see below. I would hope that if the car actually had an OEM alarm, even if the windows were down and someone decided to reach in an put the car in gear, no idea why anyone would want to do such a thing, then the alarm would trigger and could shut the Reservation Mode off and disable the remote start.
Got it.

I still don't like it. But it is safer than I thought.
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