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Old 11-21-2013, 02:03 PM   #1
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Best track car e36 m3 vs e46 m3

okay this is something i have always though about. what do you think is better and thinking of these aspects. handling, price of mods, easy to fix and and easy to work on. say which one you choose and why. O yea and pictures if you have either we all like seeing sick cars.



ill start e46 because i have one although its not an m3. but its a work in progress just got it in August.
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Old 11-21-2013, 02:22 PM   #2
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Either car is fine. Both need similar "issues" addressed. Though if I had to pick probably E36. I've had an E36 M3 and it was minty fresh.

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Old 11-21-2013, 02:34 PM   #3
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Obd1 e36. Easy peasy
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96+ M3 is superior in 7,000,000 ways. it's like 323 vs 330
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Old 11-21-2013, 03:28 PM   #5
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I've done a couple of enduros in my friend's E46 M3, Turner prepared. Schweet! It's no E36, but beggars can't be choosers.
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Great shop!

Nice and clean

Not sure about that spoiler though
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Great shop!

Nice and clean

Not sure about that spoiler though
You mean the rear wing? I certainly wouldn't want it on a street car, but it makes usable downforce.

Thanks for the compliment on the shop! I'll pass it on. My friend is meticulous about keeping the floors clean.
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It's a functional wing. Doesn't matter what it looks like.
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It depends on what one is looking for. European Car at the time said that after the 95' they made them softer, due to US owners complaints. Suspension geometry changed and OBDII made tuning harder.
95' also came with 235/40/17 all around, which some people preferred to the staggered set up. 96' and later only had a little more torque.
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Cost goes to the e36 M3. Power and better starting platform to the e46 M3 once you address the basic issues. Both cars are generally simple to work on if you can turn a wrench. A true track car will have the daily driver amenities removed from both cars, so that's not an issue. I've driven an e36 M3 and own an e46 M3. I personally prefer the e46 M3 - better engine, wider track, bigger fenders for tires and BBKs, better looking (I know it doesn't matter on a track machine, but had to throw it in there), etc.
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You mean the rear wing? I certainly wouldn't want it on a street car, but it makes usable downforce.

Thanks for the compliment on the shop! I'll pass it on. My friend is meticulous about keeping the floors clean.
Tell him he did an amazing job!
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I most certainly will. He's a great guy.

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I would put a cot and a refrigerator in that shop and never come out... Except to drive that car!

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E36 is much easier to work on, the engine bay is a lot less cramped. And the jack points are on the side of the car instead of underneath, you can jack the car up when it's literally laying on the ground. If you race, you're gonna crash, don't fool yourself. You'll like the ability to jack the car up yourself without needing a fork-lift.

Suspension wise, they're identical. Nothing to see here. And a 96+ M3 is not superior to a 95. They're the same car. And if you wanted a car that you could still drive to the track legally, you DEFINITELY want a 95.

If this is strictly a race car, I wouldn't waste the money on an M3 anyways - get a blown up 325 for $1,000 and drop whatever motor in it you like.

And anyone saying E30 M3 has either just had mommy buy one for them or they really don't own one - they just read about it in a magazine. No need to spend an extra $20,000 just so you can have fender flares that you're gonna dent in anyways. E30 M3 is for people trying their hardest to show off. The suspension on the E30 is garbage.
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E36 is much easier to work on, the engine bay is a lot less cramped. And the jack points are on the side of the car instead of underneath, you can jack the car up when it's literally laying on the ground. If you race, you're gonna crash, don't fool yourself. You'll like the ability to jack the car up yourself without needing a fork-lift.

Suspension wise, they're identical. Nothing to see here. And a 96+ M3 is not superior to a 95. They're the same car. And if you wanted a car that you could still drive to the track legally, you DEFINITELY want a 95.

If this is strictly a race car, I wouldn't waste the money on an M3 anyways - get a blown up 325 for $1,000 and drop whatever motor in it you like.

And anyone saying E30 M3 has either just had mommy buy one for them or they really don't own one - they just read about it in a magazine. No need to spend an extra $20,000 just so you can have fender flares that you're gonna dent in anyways. E30 M3 is for people trying their hardest to show off. The suspension on the E30 is garbage.
You pretty much answered a lot of questions I had Always wondered to start from a shell or buy an already fast car. Thank you that's why I made this thread.


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If this is strictly a race car, I wouldn't waste the money on an M3 anyways - get a blown up 325 for $1,000 and drop whatever motor in it you like.
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I think I'd have to choose an early (01-03) E46 M3 as my ideal track car starting point. I'd like to find one with no sunroof and as few options as possible; no xenons, manual cloth seats, etc. I think the S54 has a lot of potential and the M3 I listed is a great blank canvas starting point. I would even consider an SMG equipped car. Money wouldn't be an option and high performance shifting is what SMG was designed for. I would of course keep it all motor. I think the S54 is best left NA.
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