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Old 01-01-2014, 10:31 PM   #21
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where else can ya get a room for 2 hours for 7k?

If the guy didn't have insurance, he had to pay the full price at $55k?

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Old 01-01-2014, 10:37 PM   #22
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No. If he was actually going to pay, the hospital would probably bill him in the 12K range. Since most people don't pay (even the portion they owe, after insurance) the hospital need to keep the charges high so they can write off a loss, declare a MASSIVE loss at the end of the year, and collect their city/state funds come Christmas. Its a giant circle jerk that is mostly the government's fault and the rest Hillary Clinton's fault (true story.)
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Old 01-01-2014, 10:40 PM   #23
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Dude, I'd do your appendix for $5K and let you hang at my place for like 4 hours afterwards.
I think there's someone else on here who replaces his appendix every three years, just as a preventative measure.
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Mango isn't that dumb... is he?
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No. If he was actually going to pay, the hospital would probably bill him in the 12K range. Since most people don't pay (even the portion they owe, after insurance) the hospital need to keep the charges high so they can write off a loss, declare a MASSIVE loss at the end of the year, and collect their city/state funds come Christmas. Its a giant circle jerk that is mostly the government's fault and the rest Hillary Clinton's fault (true story.)
We got my mothers 200k medical bill knocked down to 4X,xxx.


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If we just let competition do it's job, healthcare costs will drop and service will get better. This applies to ALL industries.
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does that dipshit realize that the insurance company dod not pay what they charge? The insurance company always pays a reduced amount.
Why charge such ridiculous amounts in the first place if no one is paying them? Image going to the store and a pound of steak would be $60 but then you have to haggle it down to $10. It's such an idiotic inconvenience for both sides...
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same, had a bunch of hardware put into my spine too. Titanium rods, screws, and a cage. I lost two vertebrae discs and L1-L3 was crushed and also had pinched my spinal cord rendering me temporarily/partially paralyzed. So a cage was put in and used to hold my spine together and they pieced together the bone fragments and used some sort of glue (I think?) which fused my lower spine.

Talk about having back pain and lower pressure in my back everyday. Oh well.
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Why charge such ridiculous amounts in the first place if no one is paying them? Image going to the store and a pound of steak would be $60 but then you have to haggle it down to $10. It's such an idiotic inconvenience for both sides...
I explained it above. Insurance never pays 100%, regardless of amount billed. If the actual cost was 10K, if the hospital billed 10K, they would get 2K. The only way the hospitals can operate is to bill astronomical amounts....so they bill 60K, and get 10K....then they declare a 50K loss. Thats the only way the hospital can afford to run thanks to all the non payment patients, substance abuse treatments, etc. Remember, hospitals are not allowed to turn people away in all 50 states. I haven't looked it up in a while, but I don't think there is a single hospital in the United States that operates in the black.
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I explained it above. Insurance never pays 100%, regardless of amount billed. If the actual cost was 10K, if the hospital billed 10K, they would get 2K. The only way the hospitals can operate is to bill astronomical amounts....so they bill 60K, and get 10K....then they declare a 50K loss. Thats the only way the hospital can afford to run thanks to all the non payment patients, substance abuse treatments, etc. Remember, hospitals are not allowed to turn people away in all 50 states. I haven't looked it up in a while, but I don't think there is a single hospital in the United States that operates in the black.
Sounds like a scam. I imagine there will be a time when the US actually goes single payer and everyone will look back at history and wonder what the fvck we were doing/thinking/believing. The current US population is really fvcking things up. Explains the congress approval rating.
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I explained it above. Insurance never pays 100%, regardless of amount billed. If the actual cost was 10K, if the hospital billed 10K, they would get 2K. The only way the hospitals can operate is to bill astronomical amounts....so they bill 60K, and get 10K....then they declare a 50K loss. Thats the only way the hospital can afford to run thanks to all the non payment patients, substance abuse treatments, etc. Remember, hospitals are not allowed to turn people away in all 50 states. I haven't looked it up in a while, but I don't think there is a single hospital in the United States that operates in the black.


How long has it been since you've looked? Hospitals are huge profit centers in some instances. HCA, Mayo, various state university hospitals, etc.
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How long has it been since you've looked? Hospitals are huge profit centers in some instances. HCA, Mayo, various state university hospitals, etc.
The MAYO receives MASSIVE donations. They have more money than they know what to do with. Cereal.
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Why charge such ridiculous amounts in the first place if no one is paying them? Image going to the store and a pound of steak would be $60 but then you have to haggle it down to $10. It's such an idiotic inconvenience for both sides...
That I don't know either, but NFRs2000nyc is probably right.
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How long has it been since you've looked? Hospitals are huge profit centers in some instances. HCA, Mayo, various state university hospitals, etc.
I will grant you that I haven't checked every hospital, but from the last time I looked up some numbers (used all the big boy NY hospitals ie Beth Israel, Mt. Sinai, etc), NONE of them are making a dime and are running huge deficits...remember, to see if the hospital is in the black, you need to remove the donations and the funding (which is the only way these hospitals are able to keep their doors open.) I guess I should have said this...I don't think there is a single hospital in the united states that if you took away their donations and their city/state funding, that would be able to keep their doors open with regular bill payments.
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Mom had her appendix removed 6 weeks ago. Was in hospital for 2 days. Walked out with $0 bill. She was then off work for 5 weeks, fully paid. Oh wait, we live in Canada
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Mom had her appendix removed 6 weeks ago. Was in hospital for 2 days. Walked out with $0 bill. She was then off work for 5 weeks, fully paid. Oh wait, we live in Canada
Oh right...Canada...the second largest country on the planet by land mass, with less people than NYC. Oh right...Canada...because taxes. Oh right, canada, where the average wait time for a general visit is a month, and a specialist up to 6 months. Cat scans are running up to 90 day waits. Canada...the country where it's so good to be sick, Canadians flock to the US (13000 people in 2012) to have serious surgeries because they don't have the time to wait....btw, including the politician that set up your system. ROFLZ.
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You must have come up here and experienced the healthcare system first hand? If you haven't, then you are talking out of your ass.

Mom went in Friday night and was in the surgery early Sat morning.
Sister had seizure at home some time ago. Ambulance was called and took her in. She had a Cat scan next day along with bunch of other tests that went on for next 3-4 days before she was released.

Things are done here by priority. If something is critical, it goes in right away with no wait. If you go to ER for a cough or runny nose (like many idiots here do), then yes, you wait for hours. I pulled my back yesterday and I have a hard time walking. It's a not ER issue but at 5PM, I am going to go to after hours clinic, with avg wait of an hour and get something proscribed or doc might even give me a shot right on the spot.

Do you need more real life examples or you are gonna keep talking out of your ass with no experience on how things work here?
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does that dipshit realize that the insurance company dod not pay what they charge? The insurance company always pays a reduced amount.
No, because it's easier to complain on the internet.

Also a bit confused how having shitty insurance was Sutter's fault?
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I waited in an emergency room with my roommate for six hours but I rather sit through that again than bankrupt myself just to pay one hospital bill.
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