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Old 01-02-2014, 11:40 AM   #41
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You must have come up here and experienced the healthcare system first hand? If you haven't, then you are talking out of your ass.

Mom went in Friday night and was in the surgery early Sat morning.
Sister had seizure at home some time ago. Ambulance was called and took her in. She had a Cat scan next day along with bunch of other tests that went on for next 3-4 days before she was released.

Things are done here by priority. If something is critical, it goes in right away with no wait. If you go to ER for a cough or runny nose (like many idiots here do), then yes, you wait for hours. I pulled my back yesterday and I have a hard time walking. It's a not ER issue but at 5PM, I am going to go to after hours clinic, with avg wait of an hour and get something proscribed or doc might even give me a shot right on the spot.

Do you need more real life examples or you are gonna keep talking out of your ass with no experience on how things work here?
Because appendicitis can be fatal if left untreated and there is no time to wait. You are using anecdotal examples and then go on to support my statements in one sentence. Things are done on priority in Canada. That doesn't work in the US. If your mom is getting taken care of, that doesn't mean my mom is less of a priority. That's not how things work here. In the US, anyone who wants care gets it NOW. We don't wait 3 months for CAT scans in the US. We don't wait 6 months for a specialist. We don't wait PERIOD. Sorry to say, the only one here talking out of their a$$ is you.

So why don't you take one of your looney's and buy a clue.....

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Seeing a doctor or nurse when sick: 33% of patients surveyed reported waiting six days or
more for an appointment, 5% more than the country ranked second-lowest;
Seeing a specialist: 41% reported waiting two months or more, 7% more than the country
ranked second-lowest; and
Having elective surgery: 25% reported waiting four months or more, 3% more than the
country ranked second-lowest .
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http://www.ctvnews.ca/health/wait-ti...port-1.1516817

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Old 01-02-2014, 11:40 AM   #42
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My dad's rabies shots were billed around $10k. It was a series of shots over a period of a few weeks but in the end it is just shots. I was blown away when he told me.
How much did your dad pay?
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Because appendicitis can be fatal if left untreated and there is no time to wait. You are using anecdotal examples and then go on to support my statements in one sentence. Things are done on priority in Canada. That doesn't work in the US. If your mom is getting taken care of, that doesn't mean my mom is less of a priority. That's not how things work here. In the US, anyone who wants care gets it NOW. We don't wait 3 months for CAT scans in the US. We don't wait 6 months for a specialist. We don't wait PERIOD. Sorry to say, the only one here talking out of their a$$ is you.

So why don't you take one of your looney's and buy a clue.....
Once again, my sister had CAT scan day after being submitted into hospital.

I do understand that anyone in US can get care NOW, but question is can anyone afford it? Of course they can't. If you are OK for paying out of your ass for simple treatments that could usually wait some time, without causing you much discomfort, the go ahead and keep paying and support your idiotic healthcare system.

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Read up: http://content.healthaffairs.org/content/21/3/19.full
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Because appendicitis can be fatal if left untreated and there is no time to wait. You are using anecdotal examples and then go on to support my statements in one sentence. Things are done on priority in Canada. That doesn't work in the US. If your mom is getting taken care of, that doesn't mean my mom is less of a priority. That's not how things work here. In the US, anyone who wants care gets it NOW. We don't wait 3 months for CAT scans in the US. We don't wait 6 months for a specialist. We don't wait PERIOD. Sorry to say, the only one here talking out of their a$$ is you.

So why don't you take one of your looney's and buy a clue.....



https://secure.cihi.ca/free_products...port-ENweb.pdf

http://www.ctvnews.ca/health/wait-ti...port-1.1516817

Canadian's fleeing for healthcare
http://dailycaller.com/2012/07/11/re...h-care-in-2011






me,i diagnose myself and go to a specialist, most gp are a waste of fin time, just another hand in the barrel

i've actually had gp refuse to call me in a refill, said i had to come in and see him,took 2 minutes for him to write script, unbeknownst to him, my ins co sent me the bill he submitted, "comprehensive exam " $250

last time i saw him

when the specialist receptionist asks me if i have a primary i say no, new patient

haven't had a problem yet but, damn, i thought 4 weeks was a long wait

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Old 01-02-2014, 12:02 PM   #45
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Once again, my sister had CAT scan day after being submitted into hospital.

I do understand that anyone in US can get care NOW, but question is can anyone afford it? Of course they can't. If you are OK for paying out of your ass for simple treatments that could usually wait some time, without causing you much discomfort, the go ahead and keep paying and support your idiotic healthcare system.

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Your claim about so many Canadians flocking a USA is bogus
Read up: http://content.healthaffairs.org/content/21/3/19.full
Big difference than just getting a cat scan after a football game or getting into a fight...it's not a priority. Paying for healthcare is irrelevant. If someone is sick in the US, they can get treatment NOW...payment is after the fact, the point is, they are helped. There have been plenty of cases of canadians going from relatively minor cancers to fullblown terminal death sentences because they couldn't get scans in time. Look at the canadian wait times, and like I said, you have less people than NYC alone in your entire country. If you have an average of a 3 month wait for a specialist with 22 million people, imagine the wait times with a 330 million person population.

From your article...sounds like your government is trying to stifle their citizens from using American hospitals and to use Canadian ones.

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s part of a more widespread strategy to reduce public health care spending during much of the past decade, some provincial governments have imposed tighter limits on their financial liability for residents' medical care received in the United States. Payment limits for emergency hospitalizations in 2000 varied somewhat across provinces: Per diem payments ranged from as little as Can$75 for residents of British Columbia to as much as Can$570 in Manitoba and Prince Edward Island. Outpatient emergency services are generally reimbursed at provincial fee-schedule rates, which are far below fees in the United States.7 But several provinces such as Ontario and Manitoba have also limited payments for outpatient emergency visits to as little as Can$50-$100. These restrictions have motivated more Canadians to obtain insurance for health care expenses incurred while traveling for extended periods in the United States.

In selected circumstances, more formal arrangements have been negotiated between provincial payers and U.S. providers. Provinces have always reimbursed individuals, subject to preapproval and negotiated payments, who are required to travel to the United States to obtain highly specialized services not available in their home province. More recently, several Canadian provincial payers have established temporary contracts with U.S. providers for specific services available but subject to unacceptable delay in Canada.
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me,i diagnose myself and go to a specialist, most gp are a waste of fin time, just another hand in the barrel

i've actually had gp refuse to call me in a refill, said i had to come in and see him,took 2 minutes for him to write script, unbeknownst to him, my ins co sent me the bill he submitted, "comprehensive exam " $250

last time i saw him

when the specialist receptionist asks me if i have a primary i say no, new patient

haven't had a problem yet but, damn, i thought 4 weeks was a long wait
Liability...they can't just "call in a refill." They are supposed to check your condition before they refill anything. What exactly have you diagnosed yourself with before?
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Big difference than just getting a cat scan after a football game or getting into a fight...it's not a priority. Paying for healthcare is irrelevant. If someone is sick in the US, they can get treatment NOW...payment is after the fact, the point is, they are helped. There have been plenty of cases of canadians going from relatively minor cancers to fullblown terminal death sentences because they couldn't get scans in time. Look at the canadian wait times, and like I said, you have less people than NYC alone in your entire country. If you have an average of a 3 month wait for a specialist with 22 million people, imagine the wait times with a 330 million person population.
would still be volume where you live no?
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Liability...they can't just "call in a refill." They are supposed to check your condition before they refill anything. What exactly have you diagnosed yourself with before?



and bs, my ent and allergist call em in all the time

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and bs, my ent and allergist call em in all the time
Then they are opening themselves up to a massive liability lawsuit. They are technically violating the law. Now, is it done? Sure. Maybe you know your doc for years, he knows you inside and out, knows your condition, etc, so they might call in your allergy meds without any issue, but if its a new doc, or you have a condition that needs to be monitored, then it's a different story.
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would still be volume where you live no?
Not sure I understand the question.
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Not sure I understand the question.
well, you stated the 22mill to 330 mill comparison

the dr office would still have volume on where he's located

how would that change?
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well, you stated the 22mill to 330 mill comparison

the dr office would still have volume on where he's located

how would that change?
Thats my point...we have a much larger population and no wait times for anything....the Canadian system doesn't work in Canada, let alone in the US. Financial motivation (in any field) improves quality, period. Take away the motivation, quality suffers. Quality suffers exponentially when motivation is removed, but the labor remains.
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well, i don't see any way of taking the crooks out of healthcare , which is why the costs are sky high

the pharm companies are in bed with the govnt

diff system, same people?

ya,ok

we lose

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You must have come up here and experienced the healthcare system first hand? If you haven't, then you are talking out of your ass.

Mom went in Friday night and was in the surgery early Sat morning.
Sister had seizure at home some time ago. Ambulance was called and took her in. She had a Cat scan next day along with bunch of other tests that went on for next 3-4 days before she was released.

Things are done here by priority. If something is critical, it goes in right away with no wait. If you go to ER for a cough or runny nose (like many idiots here do), then yes, you wait for hours. I pulled my back yesterday and I have a hard time walking. It's a not ER issue but at 5PM, I am going to go to after hours clinic, with avg wait of an hour and get something proscribed or doc might even give me a shot right on the spot.

Do you need more real life examples or you are gonna keep talking out of your ass with no experience on how things work here?
He will continue to talk out of his ass. I posted a report before to counteract his claims and show extended waits only applied to elective surgery such as tits.
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3 yrs for a set of t1ts?

i can go get em tonight , f that
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He will continue to talk out of his ass. I posted a report before to counteract his claims and show extended waits only applied to elective surgery such as tits.
You posted sh!t. What I posted were numbers straight from the canadian government and their healthcare providers. I realize you have no interest in reading, and consider CAT scans breast implants, but that doesn't make you right. I think the not having a job and living in your parents basement is starting to wear on you. Might be time to deliver a paper or shovel some snow for $4.

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mmmmmmmm, certain posts seem to have been removed from this thread


yet, when the subject mouths off to me it stays

i'm kinda getting tired of it
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Exactly. Thats what they bill the insurance company to ensure they get AT LEAST what the treatment costs. If your dad was paying cash, it would probably be in the 5K range.
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