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Old 01-27-2014, 11:02 AM   #21
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glad he is posting by the rules:

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Oops - didn't know there was such a rule. I am prepared for my punishment. By the way, bagher, have you posted similar complaints in the various conservative-bashing threads? JK, that is a rhetorical question - I know you haven't!

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Old 01-27-2014, 11:09 AM   #22
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I changed my thread title to help bagher calm down.
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Old 01-27-2014, 11:10 AM   #23
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I changed my thread title to help bagher calm down.
The answer to your new title. No. Liberals are not less likely to understand conservative views and vice versa. There is nothing to indicate that one group better understands its counterpart.
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Old 01-27-2014, 11:20 AM   #25
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The answer to your new title. No. Liberals are not less likely to understand conservative views and vice versa. There is nothing to indicate that one group better understands its counterpart.
LOL, nothing? Except for the article I linked to and the book referenced in the article, you are right - nothing.


Some of you should read these two sentences many times, and very slowly:
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Liberals don't understand conservative values. And they can't recognize this failing, because they're so convinced of their rationality, open-mindedness and enlightenment.

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Old 01-27-2014, 11:26 AM   #26
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LOL, nothing? Except for the article I linked to and the book referenced in the article, you are right - nothing.
Anecdotal evidence, suggestions, and bias is not sufficient in drawing accurate conclusions. Therefore I am not convinced. Perhaps you set your bar low for information epecially when it confirms your bias. That is fine, for you. But don't try to discredit or diminish those of us who demand a higher quality of evidence with some analytical integrity.
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Some of you should read these two sentences many times, and very slowly:
What do you consider to be conservative values?

Edit: And what about liberal values?
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LOL, nothing? Except for the article I linked to and the book referenced in the article, you are right - nothing.


Some of you should read these two sentences many times, and very slowly:
That statement has no validity. It can be equally "true" the other way around.

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LOL, nothing? Except for the article I linked to and the book referenced in the article, you are right - nothing.


Some of you should read these two sentences many times, and very slowly:
so you're taking two sentences, out of an entire book that apparently claims something different from what you're trying to say, and extrapolating those two sentences on to the whole of the population, using said book as your source.

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witness says shooter in Maryland was an amazing person.
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" ... an amazing person inside and out," McDonald told CNN.
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Paraphrased from another author's discussion of Haidt's book and research (link below):

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Haidt reports on the following experiment: after determining whether someone is liberal or conservative, he then has each person answer the standard battery of questions as if he were the opposite ideology. So, he would ask a liberal to answer the questions as if he were a "typical conservative" and vice-versa. What he finds is quite striking: "The results were clear and consistent. Moderates and conservatives were most accurate in their predictions, whether they were pretending to be liberals or conservatives. Liberals were the least accurate, especially those who describe themselves as 'very liberal.' The biggest errors in the whole study came when liberals answered the Care and Fairness questions while pretending to be conservatives." In other words, moderates and conservatives can understand the liberal worldview and liberals are unable to relate to the conservative worldview, especially when it comes to questions of care and fairness.

In short, Haidt's research suggests that many liberals really do believe that conservatives are heartless bastards--or as a friend of mine once remarked, "Conservatives think that liberals are good people with bad ideas, whereas liberals think conservatives are bad people"--and very liberal people think that especially strongly. Haidt suggests that there is some truth to this
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That statement has no validity. It can be equally "true" the other way around.
It "could" be true, except it wasn't what his experiments revealed. Next.
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so they played a political version of "The Newlyweds Game"?
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It "could" be true, except it wasn't what his experiments revealed. Next.
The only thing they revealed was an opinion.
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It "could" be true, except it wasn't what his experiments revealed. Next.
So he submitted his experiment to a peer-reviewed scientific journal? Can we see the results?
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I would love to see the questions, actually.
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so you're taking two sentences, out of an entire book that apparently claims something different from what you're trying to say, and extrapolating those two sentences on to the whole of the population, using said book as your source.

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witness says shooter in Maryland was an amazing person.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/27/us/mar...html?hpt=hp_t1
Huh? The results of his study show that liberals are less likely to understand conservatives' views. How is that different than what I have been saying?
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so they played a political version of "The Newlyweds Game"?
Yes, that's it. This is equivalent to a TV game show.
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The second part of Haidt's argument is that once you have subconsciously chosen your ideology (you don't rationally choose what the important factors are) you also do not rationally and objectively weigh the evidence as to whether your ideological views are "correct." Instead, people tend to subconsciously sift the information that they take in: you tend to overvalue evidence that supports your predispositions and dismiss evidence that is inconsistent with it. As a result, "evidence" becomes self-justifying.
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The only thing they revealed was an opinion.
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]I am sure you haven't read his entire book in the few minutes this thread has existed[/B], but if you did, you would see that it is very balanced. He points out problems on both sides. The title points to the perception on both sides that their side is righteous and the other isn't, regardless of left v. right.
Have you? Has anyone?

Good topic, though. Brilliant minds?

I feel like Haidt has tried to toe the line between the two ideologies, but has clearly fallen on the more conservative side, hence the perception that conservative views are more often misunderstood.

That said, looking back a hundred years or so, have conservative views been judged favorably by history? Or would that be more liberal views? Honest question.
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What do you consider to be conservative values?

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Right. Also, I am really curious how each has fared throughout history.
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That statement has no validity. It can be equally "true" the other way around.
Pretty much.
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