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Old 02-01-2014, 04:46 PM   #1
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Question Amanda Knox- extradite to Italy?

So Amanda Knox's acquittal for killing Meredith Kercher was overturned in Italy this week. Assuming the highest Italian court upholds the verdict should she be extradited back to Italy? Seems a slam dunk yes to me... Will she be?
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The Italian government will not ask for her extradition, nor will the US grant it. This is a non-issue.
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Old 02-01-2014, 05:12 PM   #3
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What a joke. She better not be sent.
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Old 02-01-2014, 05:20 PM   #4
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Interesting replies - a convicted murderer shouldn't be punished is what you're saying. How can this view be justified?
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Interesting replies - a convicted murderer shouldn't be punished is what you're saying. How can this view be justified?
Double jeopardy. In the US, prosecutors cannot appeal an acquittal.

I don't give a flying **** whether Italy has it or not, but the US sure does. And she's on US soil now.
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Double jeopardy. In the US, prosecutors cannot appeal an acquittal.

I don't give a flying **** whether Italy has it or not, but the US sure does. And she's on US soil now.

Yup, that trial was a three ring circus anyhow.


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Interesting replies - a convicted murderer shouldn't be punished is what you're saying. How can this view be justified?
She was acquitted.
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Interesting replies - a convicted murderer shouldn't be punished is what you're saying. How can this view be justified?
She was acquitted. Case closed. Not to mention the Italian judicial system is screwy. Being a foreigner, especially America, does count against you even though it should not. The cards were stacked against her even before any evidence was presented.
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Evidence doesn't seem like it's there. Who ever said it, this was a circus and a witch hunt.

That being said... If this holds up through the next round, we better send her over. What kind of precedent does this set?
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Evidence doesn't seem like it's there. Who ever said it, this was a circus and a witch hunt.

That being said... If this holds up through the next round, we better send her over. What kind of precedent does this set?
I wouldn't. They tried and convicted her, then they acquitted her. Now they convicted her again. If she were tried here she probably would've been acquitted and that's if she was even prosecuted. Furthermore, someone already stated that here in the states that's double jeopardy.

The precedent would be don't fvuck up cases, then acquit people only to send them home, then later expect their home country to extradite them because you changed your mind. The Italian courts can fvuck themselves.


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If we do not acknowledge an extradition request from the italian govt. Then the US better not b!tch when they want somebody extradited from italy to face legal action in the US. Italy could become a hub for organized crime in the US again and the italian govt would be quite within their rights to tell the US "go pound sand.".
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If we do not acknowledge an extradition request from the italian govt. Then the US better not b!tch when they want somebody extradited from italy to face legal action in the US. Italy could become a hub for organized crime in the US again and the italian govt would be quite within their rights to tell the US "go pound sand.".
Pretty much most of the legal opinions I've read and seen don't expect her to be extradited.

This isn't really a normal extradition request you see, usually someone who is captured or awaiting a court case. This is someone who has already been tried, and acquitted, and then retried even though they are no longer in the jurisdiction.
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Does the fact that double jeopardy doesn't exist in Italy not mean that, as the offence was committed in that country that she must be tried and sentenced by the laws of that land? Seems a pretty arrogant argument that just because DJ exists in the US that all countries should use the same system - especially when a US citizen is being tried. Even the UK has abolished DJ in some instances.

I agree with the sentiment re the potential for reciprocal justice to be damaged if the Italians ask for her and the US refuse.
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Old 02-02-2014, 08:50 AM   #14
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The US better honor the extradition request by Italy. The US has recognized the Italian Judicial system as being appropriate in the past, has an agreement to extradite upon request, and needs to recognize their obligation and agreement. To not do so would set the precedent of not honoring a request for extradition. That would give weight to any country that does not want to honor a US request for extradition.
As to whether she is guilty, that comes under Italian Law, and she was found guilty in that legal system that the US has recognized in the past as being appropriate.
And this business of the Press in the US saying she is not guilty, trial by Press, is omitting the facts that were presented in the courtroom. There is plenty of evidence that she is guilty, and some that support she is not. She told the police how she was present, had to cover her ears because of the screaming coming from that room, signed a statement to that affect a few days later, then changes her story she was with her boyfriend and not in the house, but boy friend say he does not remember that, boy friend says he was playing on the internet at the time of the murder--but his computer shows he was not on the internet, there is her and his bloody foot prints in the house, some DNA on her (but questionable), a staged break-in to the house with glass window broken on top of the garments that were part of the crime scene--showing it was done after the murder, the guy convicted of the murder saying she did it (not sure if I would put much weight on that), her saying that her boss (from the bar) was the murder--but turns out some weeks later that he had a sound alibi and could not have been there. And there is more. Is this circumstantial--perhaps, but people in the US court system get convicted on that. Is there reasonable doubt--yes maybe, but that is up to the court, and even in a US court this may be enough to convict based on comments from attorney Alan Dershowitz.
Double Jeopardy --maybe, but that is a US court principle, that does not apply in many court system (I think even in the UK there are exceptions). The US recognizes the Italian court system as legitimate.
AND according to Alan Dershowitz, double jeopardy does not apply since it is an appeals court and the decision is not final. He says (and I am not expert like him) that even in the US he has had cases where similar circumstances would not be DJ.
Everyone is listening to the Press, the Media, all those reporters who are trying to get their ratings up---and not the facts.
Is there reasonable double that she did it in some peoples mind--maybe, but the court system found her guilty--and there are surely evidence that shows guilt.
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They convicted her and then released her, they dropped the ball IF she was guilty. They should have no reasonable expectation of having someone extradited from their home country based on an appeal of a conviction that someone already served time for, it's BS.




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Does the fact that double jeopardy doesn't exist in Italy not mean that, as the offence was committed in that country that she must be tried and sentenced by the laws of that land? Seems a pretty arrogant argument that just because DJ exists in the US that all countries should use the same system - especially when a US citizen is being tried. Even the UK has abolished DJ in some instances.

I agree with the sentiment re the potential for reciprocal justice to be damaged if the Italians ask for her and the US refuse.
She had a trial, she was convicted, she served time, she was acquitted, and she was released. All of this by the Italians, they had their chance to serve "justice". It's one thing if she never faced trial but she has and to send her back would be complete bs. If the US did this they would have not requested extradition because it would be DJ and it would be incredibly stupid to do so. Sheit it's not like they have a video of her doing it. If they did then maybe the US would extradite because in that sense DJ would be a handicap and not a way to protect people from endless persecution. Fvucking Italians, I'd
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They convicted her and then released her, they dropped the ball IF she was guilty. They should have no reasonable expectation of having someone extradited from their home country based on an appeal of a conviction that someone already served time for, it's BS.




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Since the US has a extradition treaty with Italy, recognizes their legal system, there is no reason why Italy would not believe she would be extradited. Not to do so, would void all extradition requests made by the US in the future for people escaping to Italy. I do not see how they dropped the ball, if anything they were more humane in their treatment while she is out on bail. The Treaty with Italy is the "reasonable expectation" that she would be returned. And the word, and honor of the US to abide by their Treaty's--not sometimes, always.
We need to stop having the press/media spoon feed the public what they want us to read/hear based on their perception (and bias to make news/ratings)
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Apparently there is a clause in the treaty that strictly prevents the extradition of individuals who have served time for a crime they have been convicted of so.....




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Apparently there is a clause in the treaty that strictly prevents the extradition of individuals who have served time for a crime they have been convicted of so.....
It's my barely-educated impression that all extradition treaties are a little more complex than just reciprocal if-we-want-em-you-gotta-send-em agreements.

For example, I believe that some countries (Canada, maybe?) that don't believe in the death penalty will not honor US extradition requests if the extraditee would be subject to execution if convicted.

So it's possible that this situation meets some criteria in the US/Italy treaty that would allow the US to deny the extradition request and still be in compliance with the treaty.

EDIT, forgot to end my thought with "so...."
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I'm torn.

I'd hate to see her go to prison, but i'd like to see her do prison porn.
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