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Old 02-06-2014, 02:09 PM   #101
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Old 02-06-2014, 02:16 PM   #102
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I stand corrected, comment still stands because of the car's structure though.
The Huayra borrowed the concept of a composite chassis from the Zonda R, which was in turn taken (in idea) from the Ferrari FXX.
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Old 02-06-2014, 02:38 PM   #104
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Many of the things we consider cool today were built by Packard back in the 20's. For instance the 20's era Packard that had headlights that turned with the steering wheel.

Then there is my baby. The 1987 Chrysler Conquest TSi. Actually started in 1983 but the widebody version did not start until 86. Began the turbo tuner japanese car scene. Made by Mitsubishi, this was the flagship car to introduce them to the US, it blew the current Nissan and Toyota out of the water when it arrived. Oh and it has auto climate control, speed sensing wipers, etc. Had to buy an E46 before I got those features in a newer car.

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Old 02-06-2014, 02:40 PM   #105
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i had one that looked exactly the same, one of my favorite designs of all time. Is this yours now? If so, more pics please!
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Old 02-06-2014, 02:50 PM   #106
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i had one that looked exactly the same, one of my favorite designs of all time. Is this yours now? If so, more pics please!
Yep that one is mine. Bought it in 2002 at age 16, I got really lucky with it. Had no idea what it was until I saw a gold 88 on the side of the road, was broken down, it had been beat to death by it's owner and was on it's last legs but I couldn't get over the look of it. Searched for 2 years to find this one, checking ebay every day.

This one popped up on ebay one day, 1 owner car, with 28k original miles on it, in near perfect condition and it was 15 miles from my house! I emailed them right away, went over that night and left with the car. A 70 year old woman bought it brand new and used it to get grocery's and go to church from 87 to 2002. I got it for $5k. It has 55k miles on it now, still all original.

I have considered selling it every now and then but I know I will never get another like it. Now that I am married my wife likes the car just as much as I do and refuses to even consider selling it, she knows we will both regret it. It gets less than 500 miles a year now, but it is always fun to take out.

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Old 02-06-2014, 02:53 PM   #107
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if you ever consider selling, PM me!
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The Huayra borrowed the concept of a composite chassis from the Zonda R, which was in turn taken (in idea) from the Ferrari FXX.
Ferrari FXX and Zonda R were not production cars, they were race cars.

Also, Ferrari FXX did not have a metal, carbon, polymer composite structure, it was carbon composite only. Adding titanium to the carbon composite was a Pagani thing.

If we are adding race cars to the mix then I'll also throw nearly every Formula 1 race car and LeMans LMP1 class cars into this thread.

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I'm very happy for you that this was your favorite car since you were 6, however how was it ahead of its time? This is a race car made for the road in order to be in compliance with FIA GT requirements... sooooo ?
It was ahead in pricing
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I think the 2002 BMW M3 with SMG was waayyyy ahead of its time.

I had one that I literally drove the sh!t out of and as long as I maintained it properly it NEVER broke down once in 70k miles! Not to mention the transmission was absolutely raw and AWESOME and still better than even some of these crappy dual clutch transmissions we see today.

Between the SMGII that outshifted the Ferrari 360 at the time, and the S54 motor which had the most HP per liter, it's easy to say the E46 M3 was way ahead in 2001, let alone 2002 when SMGII was introduced!
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the S54 motor which had the most HP per liter
It never held this title.
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The E46 M3, not necessarily the E46 generation.

I say this, and it's opinion, but safety features, DSC, the M differential, SMGII (it's a dinosaur now), the S54s power per liter, and the of course the styling. Looking back at 2001 and other sports cars/sports coupes of that year, the M3 was practically in its own class. It was as other folks described it, the new benchmark for other sporty cars to measure against.
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It never held this title.
title or no title it was still and still is an absolute awesome motor

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...Then there is my baby. The 1987 Chrysler Conquest TSi. Actually started in 1983 but the widebody version did not start until 86. Began the turbo tuner japanese car scene. Made by Mitsubishi, this was the flagship car to introduce them to the US, it blew the current Nissan and Toyota out of the water when it arrived. Oh and it has auto climate control, speed sensing wipers, etc....
I guess a car didn't have to be good in any way to be ahead of it's time?
I don't think this paved the way for the Pacer, did it?

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Not even close! Not even for Lamborghini. Check out the Miura:

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Crazy thing about the Miura, it was basically designed and engineered by a bunch of twenty-somethings as a sort of side project! Top Gear's Richard Hammond said it well, "When I was drawing cars at 20 years old, they still had machine guns coming out of them."

The Miura really did start the modern super car era -- low, ultrasleek styling, mid-engine V12 -- though the Countach was a very apt successor and laid down the final final overall plan for all subsequent top tier Lambos: backward longitudinal V12 with the gearbox in front, scissors doors, wedge styling.
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