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Old 02-06-2014, 11:06 AM   #41
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I personally believe that when you die it's the end... but what about reincarnation? I've met a few people who claim to have been reincarnated. I've known people who died and met the person who they reincarnated into. That's the only part that confuses me.

Also, I don't think near-death is really the same since your brain is releasing endorphins, you can't really say you experienced the after-life.... you just experienced your brain on drugs
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I personally believe that when you die it's the end... but what about reincarnation? I've met a few people who claim to have been reincarnated. I've known people who died and met the person who they reincarnated into. That's the only part that confuses me.

Also, I don't think near-death is really the same since your brain is releasing endorphins, you can't really say you experienced the after-life.... you just experienced your brain on drugs
I know people that say they have lots of sex. They are liars too.

I believe you're just done. Think of dreamless sleep. When you wake up you have no idea you even existed for the last 8 hours.
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I personally believe that when you die it's the end... but what about reincarnation? I've met a few people who claim to have been reincarnated. I've known people who died and met the person who they reincarnated into. That's the only part that confuses me.

Also, I don't think near-death is really the same since your brain is releasing endorphins, you can't really say you experienced the after-life.... you just experienced your brain on drugs
If reincarnation was a thing then why aren't they born with the knowledge they had when they died?

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I believe you're just done. Think of dreamless sleep. When you wake up you have no idea you even existed for the last 8 hours.
I was actually thinking about this last night because my friends and I have said that sleeping is as close to time travel as we'll get. But when I wake up I definitely know that some time has passed. My body clock keeps ticking whether or not I'm conscious.
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I personally believe that when you die it's the end... but what about reincarnation? I've met a few people who claim to have been reincarnated. I've known people who died and met the person who they reincarnated into. That's the only part that confuses me.
I'm of the scientific mind, but I've read a book about it, and sometimes it can be a vary compelling subject.

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usually it's repressed and is brought out using regression therapy and hypnosis.
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read this book, even if you are closed minded it's fascinating

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If reincarnation was a thing then why aren't they born with the knowledge they had when they died?

I was actually thinking about this last night because my friends and I have said that sleeping is as close to time travel as we'll get. But when I wake up I definitely know that some time has passed. My body clock keeps ticking whether or not I'm conscious.
right. It's so odd to me that if you want to get to the future, all you need to do is go to bed.

I've accidentally done experiments falling asleep to netflix playing. I'll realize I was falling asleep and felt like 15 minutes but I only missed seconds of a show. I can't explain why it feels like the opposite.

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right. It's so odd to me that if you want to get to the future, all you need to do is go to bed.

I've accidentally done experiments falling asleep to netflix playing. I'll realize I was falling asleep and felt like 15 minutes but I only missed seconds of a show. I can't explain why it feels like the opposite.

What if you could trade being awake and in the present moment to being asleep but not aging while you sleep? I.e. barter time and life.
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What if you could trade being awake and in the present moment to being asleep but not aging while you sleep? I.e. barter time and life.
I'd not age in my sleep. I think.

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read "The Worthing Saga".

You wouldn't gain any additional life. You'd be like a stone skipped across a lake. Only touching down briefly on the surface before lifting back up again. Yes, you'd go further through time, but at the expense of losing everything you have, family, friends, relations, etc.
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If reincarnation was a thing then why aren't they born with the knowledge they had when they died?
Well that's the thing, just like a dream you don't remember everything that happened. My uncle owned a used car lot, he was shot and killed about 8 years ago. 5 years ago, we met a 3 year old kid who could name each person even though they had never met. The kid could also name makes and models of each car that was on the lot. The parents of the kid hadn't met the people either (they lived in Lebanon, and we're in the states)
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read "The Worthing Saga".

You wouldn't gain any additional life. You'd be like a stone skipped across a lake. Only touching down briefly on the surface before lifting back up again. Yes, you'd go further through time, but at the expense of losing everything you have, family, friends, relations, etc.
ohh I see. I thought he meant my regular sleep time. I could see this being dangerous and people wanting to sleep more so they lived more.
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This sorta relates to the Nye vs Ham debate. I was laughing at the ridiculous things that Ham was saying, and I think we can all agree that the evolutionist theory makes the most sense.

However, one point stood out. You could see Nye's face change when Ham said it. That is, no matter how much energy you put into a piece of matter, it's not going to spontaneously turn into life. It makes me think about how we are all made from the same matter, just in a different form. We are literally made out of the same chemical compounds that make up rocks, trees, the ocean and the air we breathe. The matter gets recycled, there is no doubt about that.

So, if consciousnesses exist independently from our physical existence as we know it, who or what determines what matter belongs to which conscious entity? And where do they exist in the mean time?
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So, if consciousnesses exist independently from our physical existence as we know it, who or what determines what matter belongs to which conscious entity? And where do they exist in the mean time?
The way I see it, we "tinybrains" (term from Defending Your Life) are incapable of understanding the answer to this question. That makes it easier for me to enjoy what I have now and look forward to what's coming.

I think the next phase will have limitless freedom of experience. For example, I could watch my childhood house being built, or see my parents when they were babies. I could have dinner with John Kennedy or with my 7th-great granddaughter. I could go to the earth's center without feeling hot. I could finally talk to my dog.
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The way I see it, we "tinybrains" (term from Defending Your Life) are incapable of understanding the answer to this question. That makes it easier for me to enjoy what I have now and look forward to what's coming.
You know I do kind of agree with the first part of your post. It's just beyond the comprehension of our brains to think in that way. Similar to the way that it's beyond the comprehension of a dog's brain that when you fake throw a ball, it doesn't just disappear but you hid it from them. They just don't get it so their brain interprets it as it just disappeared because it's easy for them to rationalize that.

There are lots of things that our brains can't truly comprehend though, interstellar distance is one of them. A human cannot truly comprehend the vastness of space because our brains aren't wired to do so, we are really only wired to comprehend distances that we are presented on a regular basis.
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I know I say now I am not scared to die, but I will probably be shitting bricks when the time comes!!!
Its funny how we fear death more when we are younger. I used to have nightmares thinking about how the world will be over in 2012 when I was younger

Now if you tell me everything will be over tomorrow, I'd consider it a part of life and go on with it
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So, if consciousnesses exist independently from our physical existence as we know it, who or what determines what matter belongs to which conscious entity? And where do they exist in the mean time?
I don't believe consciousness exists independent of biology.

I think we are just intelligent enough that we start to believe in our own specialness, and we don't want to accept that we're just bags of mostly water and minerals, and when we die, we degrade back into the elements we're made from to begin with.

If we look at the entire spectrum of animals, I don't think any reasonable person would think that when a spider dies, it's consciousness is somehow transferred out of it's body and held in some holding tank somewhere, or transported into another spider or living being.

Self-awareness leads us to believe we're different from spiders, obviously. But where on the intelligence spectrum does durable, transportable consciousness start? Do dolphins, chimps, dogs, cephalopods have durable, extra-biologic consciousness?

If you back all the way out and look at the universe from the zillion-light-year level, does it really make sense that here on this tiny insignificant planet of ours, some tiny insignificant difference between animal species would make the difference between one species having a consciousness that outlasts the physical body, while all others don't?

I certainly don't have all the answers. But I intuitively shy away from any proposed answer that places human animals in some kind of special status independent of all other animals, because it immediately smacks of either A) wishful thinking, more saying what we want/hope to happen to make ourselves feel better instead of dealing with the truth, or B) the same kind of baseless, egocentric human-pedestal-placing thinking that leads to mythology/religion.
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