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Old 02-06-2014, 03:58 PM   #1
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So it begins..Rich Want New Town to Keep Poor Out

http://money.msn.com/business-news/a...06&id=17328094

White Flight destroyed Detroit, 50 years later it still has not recovered.
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I'm sure it is frustrating when government forces things like section 8 housing and ruins your schools and property values. It has happened right here in the town I live, and it sucks. Oddly enough, those parts of town never seem to abut the areas where the politicians live.
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Why exactly is it bad that people are preserving their real estate values?

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Are there no private / parochial schools in the area that these families could enroll their children?

If you don't like what your public district has to offer, that seems like the most logical step....then again, logic doesn't seem to be heavy here.
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Old 02-06-2014, 04:42 PM   #7
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Are there no private / parochial schools in the area that these families could enroll their children?

If you don't like what your public district has to offer, that seems like the most logical step....then again, logic doesn't seem to be heavy here.
Nope.

I have seen this attempted before. See, Fulton County Georgia.

People have yet to convince me that destroying home owners equity, or keeping it artificially suppressed is the way to make the poor more better of.
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Old 02-06-2014, 04:44 PM   #8
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No, forcing people to live together who come from completely opposite ends of the socio-economic spectrum is what destroyed Detroit.

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Old 02-06-2014, 05:02 PM   #9
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Great idea. They should put it next to the jesus freak town that the pizza guy wants to build.
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Nope.

I have seen this attempted before. See, Fulton County Georgia.

People have yet to convince me that destroying home owners equity, or keeping it artificially suppressed is the way to make the poor more better of.
Making poor people better off is not the motivation, obviously. In fact, it completely disregards them so that the milddle / upper class area is insulated against those who are bringing them down.

If these people are motivated enough, they will start their own private school which is a fine solution. If they complain about the cost, then they aren't motivated enough to make a change...and they are poor too
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Making poor people better off is not the motivation, obviously. In fact, it completely disregards them so that the milddle / upper class area is insulated against those who are bringing them down.

If these people are motivated enough, they will start their own private school which is a fine solution. If they complain about the cost, then they aren't motivated enough to make a change...and they are poor too
You've never gone through the home purchase process have you?

The school district in which a house resides has a material affect on the house's value. So if you have a wealthy and poor part of town, the wealth part of town's housing values are being artificially suppressed by the poor part of town, while simultaneously the poor part of town's housing values are being artificially inflated, if they share a common school district or school zoning areas.

By dividing this in half, the part of town that is now wealthy will have a marked appreciation in home values. This is being a good home owner. Most American's primary tool for retirement is the house they reside in.

And lastly, by your same logic the poors, if they don't like their school district should start their own private school, and if they can't afford it they're poor.

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Nope.

I have seen this attempted before. See, Fulton County Georgia.

People have yet to convince me that destroying home owners equity, or keeping it artificially suppressed is the way to make the poor more better of.
To be clear - the Fulton County saga was the creation of new incorporated cities in unincorporated areas of the county to localize many governmental services that Fulton did a lousy job delivering. It had nothing to do with Fulton County schools, which remain unchanged and which, due to particular geographical factors, were already reflective of share demographics.
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To be clear - the Fulton County saga was the creation of new incorporated cities in unincorporated areas of the county to localize many governmental services that Fulton did a lousy job delivering. It had nothing to do with Fulton County schools, which remain unchanged and which, due to particular geographical factors, were already reflective of share demographics.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_County,_Georgia

Many of these cities were already established before the Great Depression.
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You've never gone through the home purchase process have you?

The school district in which a house resides has a material affect on the house's value. So if you have a wealthy and poor part of town, the wealth part of town's housing values are being artificially suppressed by the poor part of town, while simultaneously the poor part of town's housing values are being artificially inflated, if they share a common school district or school zoning areas.

By dividing this in half, the part of town that is now wealthy will have a marked appreciation in home values. This is being a good home owner. Most American's primary tool for retirement is the house they reside in.

And lastly, by your same logic the poors, if they don't like their school district should start their own private school, and if they can't afford it they're poor.
I bought my first house at age 23. I know how school districts influence property values.

My point is that if the middle class or rich really have no other options, they can get off their lazy butts and start a private school. Yes it is hard and costs a bunch, but if they are motivated they can make it happen. My HS (private) was less than 20 yrs old when I enrolled...it was started by a dedicated group of visionaries and they faced many challenges, but in the end succeeded.
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I bought my first house at age 23. I know how school districts influence property values.

My point is that if the middle class or rich really have no other options, they can get off their lazy butts and start a private school. Yes it is hard and costs a bunch, but if they are motivated they can make it happen. My HS (private) was less than 20 yrs old when I enrolled...it was started by a dedicated group of visionaries and they faced many challenges, but in the end succeeded.
So a group of people should continue to support a group of kids not their own via tax dollars while simultaneously out of pocketing cash for a private school system? You think this is the easier option?

The easier option is just separate from the entity that consumes their tax dollars, without returning any benefit.

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So a group of people should continue to support a group of kids not their own via tax dollars while simultaneously out of pocketing cash for a private school system? You think this is the easier option?

The easier option is just separate from the entity that consumes their tax dollars.
I personally don't care what they do. I moved to an area which doesn't have such issues. My previous home was in exactly the sort of area in question and I got out to avoid the headaches.
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I personally don't care what they do. I moved to an area which doesn't have such issues. My previous home was in exactly the sort of area in question and I got out to avoid the headaches.
What sort of area, wealthy or poor, or a frankenstein hybrid type of area such as this one?
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Once again the middle class loses... Can't afford a better area, can't afford private school, taxes wasted so rich people and poor people can play.

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Once again the middle class loses... Can't afford a better area, can't afford private school, taxes wasted so rich people and poor people can play.

The only people with the means and motivation to demand attention from politicians
Absolutely. Its always the middle class that pays.
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What sort of area, wealthy or poor, or a frankenstein hybrid type of area such as this one?
My previous area had beautiful Victorian $600-1.2M houses down the street from section 8 and crack dealers in the park (relatively small in comparison). Very diverse, but distinct lines. I lived in the transition area.

Not sure if that is what you were asking.
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