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Old 02-07-2014, 11:36 AM   #41
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Don't look for ways to improve your school district, just make a new one.
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Old 02-07-2014, 11:37 AM   #42
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Don't look for ways to improve your school district, just make a new one.
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If they don't want to live near poor people, maybe they should just move
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Old 02-07-2014, 11:39 AM   #44
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If they don't want to live near poor people, maybe they should just move
While they could, they could also not move, and just split the school district, as both scenarios moving, and splitting the school district have the same effect, without the negative side effects.
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While they could, they could also not move, and just split the school district, as both scenarios moving, and splitting the school district have the same effect, without the negative side effects.
Negative side effects for the ones rich enough to influence the government, none. But those are the only ones who matter, right?


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Old 02-07-2014, 11:51 AM   #46
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Negative side effects for the ones rich enough to influence the government, none. But those are the only ones who matter, right?
Never said that. But using ones local tax dollars to benefit local residents seems logical. I mean, we ALLLLLL know that the middle and upper middle classes that pay the majority of American Federal Income Tax and Louisiana State Income Tax receive benefits in proportion to what they pay in.
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split the school district, as both scenarios moving, and splitting the school district have the same effect, without the negative side effects.
separate but equal eh?
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Old 02-07-2014, 12:25 PM   #48
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Never said that. But using ones local tax dollars to benefit local residents seems logical. I mean, we ALLLLLL know that the middle and upper middle classes that pay the majority of American Federal Income Tax and Louisiana State Income Tax receive benefits in proportion to what they pay in.
they're all local now. I didn't see anything about kids being bused in from across town here.
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separate but equal eh?
In terms of finance? No.

Separate and unequal. Equality in finance is a super shitty idea. Its been tried before by the likes of the USSR, The 5th Republic, North Korea, and other fun places like Vietnam.

Education is a huge hornets nest of an issue, and I'll just opine that the German school system is infinitely more successful than the American one due to one factor: pragmatism over idealism.
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they're all local now. I didn't see anything about kids being bused in from across town here.
But you still have a single geographic area that encompasses two distinct socio-economic groups. One group benefits from the grouping while the other suffers detriment.
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Never said that. But using ones local tax dollars to benefit local residents seems logical. I mean, we ALLLLLL know that the middle and upper middle classes that pay the majority of American Federal Income Tax and Louisiana State Income Tax receive benefits in proportion to what they pay in.
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But you still have a single geographic area that encompasses two distinct socio-economic groups. One group benefits from the grouping while the other suffers detriment.
So it's not an issue of "local tax dollars for local students" like you mentioned before, it's an issue of "wealthy tax dollars for wealthy students"
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So it's not an issue of "local tax dollars for local students" like you mentioned before, it's an issue of "wealthy tax dollars for wealthy students"
Yes, I could say so. And after looking up the area being discussed in Trulia, realize the "wealthy" here have an average income of under $100k per year. So what you have in reality is "middle class tax dollars going to middle class students."

Its a more efficient model, going back to the German model, but alas, in the American education system, logic and pragmatism take a back seat to blind hope and fervent rhetoric.
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Yes, I could say so. And after looking up the area being discussed in Trulia, realize the "wealthy" here have an average income of under $100k per year. So what you have in reality is "middle class tax dollars going to middle class students."

Its a more efficient model, going back to the German model, but alas, in the American education system, logic and pragmatism take a back seat to blind hope and fervent rhetoric.
blind hope like "If we can dump the poor people out of our school district, our school district will improve"? Are there any statistics that show that a school district that has more money has better schools?
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They also say an influx of state money would buoy the students and teachers left behind: "Nothing will happen to them," said Lionel Rainey III, 36, a public-relations consultant who is the seceding group's lead spokesman.
Let the state's money bouy this school district. God forbid we use our own to do it.
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blind hope like "If we can dump the poor people out of our school district, our school district will improve"? Are there any statistics that show that a school district that has more money has better schools?
I spent literally 10 seconds on Google and found this;

http://sitemaker.umich.edu/salas.356..._better_grades

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http://www.nieman.harvard.edu/report...r-Schools.aspx

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http://www.wnyc.org/story/311499-wea...r-state-exams/

So yes, their idea that "keeping the middle class kids together will increase the school's performance and thus increase our equity" is completely reasonable.
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I spent literally 10 seconds on Google and found this;

http://sitemaker.umich.edu/salas.356..._better_grades

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http://www.nieman.harvard.edu/report...r-Schools.aspx

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http://www.wnyc.org/story/311499-wea...r-state-exams/

So yes, their idea that "keeping the middle class kids together will increase the school's performance and thus increase our equity" is completely reasonable.
so then why not use this "influx of state money" that would go to the remaining schools to bolster the existing district, rather than splitting the district and allowing the state to pick up the tab for the poor district?
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so then why not use this "influx of state money" that would go to the remaining schools to bolster the existing district, rather than splitting the district and allowing the state to pick up the tab for the poor district?
Because I imagine the homeowners in the "wealthy" district care a lot more about their own kids education and the value of their home than the state's balance sheet.
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"me first" is definitely the way to run a civilization.
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Yes it is, as its universal to all humanity irrespective of culture, language, age, etc., etc., Its the beauty of true capitalism, it harnesses everyone's greed and a by product is the advancement of civilisation.
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Yes it is, as its universal to all humanity irrespective of culture, language, age, etc., etc., Its the beauty of true capitalism, it harnesses everyone's greed and a by product is the advancement of civilisation.
would you say true capitalism is your final solution?
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