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Old 02-07-2014, 12:52 PM   #61
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would you say true capitalism is your final solution?
No, there are some industries, such as finance and banking that HAVE to be strapped down and "over regulated" to prevent the situation we have now --

Where private banks can act recklessly because they are so large, they cannot be allowed to fail. Thus, they can (and do) socialise the losses while privatising the profits.
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No, there are some industries, such as finance and banking that HAVE to be strapped down and "over regulated" to prevent the situation we have now --

Where private banks can act recklessly because they are so large, they cannot be allowed to fail. Thus, they can (and do) socialise the losses while privatising the profits.
we better put those pesky banks in some kind of camp, maybe to concentrate harder on being a better person since corporations are people too.
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Old 02-07-2014, 12:56 PM   #63
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we better put those pesky banks in some kind of camp, maybe to concentrate harder on being a better person since corporations are people too.
That would cost too much. I am all in favor of just splitting them up.
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I only like government when I can use it to fulfill my ends.
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No, there are some industries, such as finance and banking that HAVE to be strapped down and "over regulated" to prevent the situation we have now --

Where private banks can act recklessly because they are so large, they cannot be allowed to fail. Thus, they can (and do) socialise the losses while privatising the profits.
You'll find some opposition to that here. Not from me, though.
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Old 02-07-2014, 01:04 PM   #66
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I only like government when I can use it to fulfill my ends.
I like government that stays as small as possible, and doesn't seek to buy its way into office by promising one group of people free stuff with their opposition's money.
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I like government that stays as small as possible, and doesn't seek to buy its way into office by promising one group of people free stuff with their opposition's money.
what about people who use the government as the tool to achieve their ends?
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You'll find some opposition to that here. Not from me, though.


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what about people who use the government as the tool to achieve their ends?
This is so vague. Be more specific.
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This is so vague. Be more specific.
I want a wealthier school district, I will lobby the government to give me one.
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I want a wealthier school district, I will lobby the government to give me one.
Do you live in an area that is wealthy? Does said wealthy area share a school district with a poor area? Why are the two distinct parts of town joined like this in one school district?

These are all important questions to ask.

When there is an argument for economic efficiency then yes, I would say that the lobby would be fine. If the argument is based on market inefficiency then no, I would say it does not.
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Do you live in an area that is wealthy? Does said wealthy area share a school district with a poor area? Why are the two distinct parts of town joined like this in one school district?

These are all important questions to ask.

When there is an argument for economic efficiency then yes, I would say that the lobby would be fine. If the argument is based on market inefficiency then no, I would say it does not.
It's a county. It's one distinct political zone. What next, redraw voting districts to assure a candidate's victory?



Funny that the parish has been around since 1810, and only now are the boundary lines causing people an issue.
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don't get me wrong, I fully support this move, as long as they can get the buy-in of the entire parish. Since it's a decision that affects the entire parish, the entire parish should get a say, it shouldn't be a unilateral decision. Unilateral secession has proven to be extremely troublesome in the past.
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It's a county. It's one distinct political zone. What next, redraw voting districts to assure a candidate's victory?



Funny that the parish has been around since 1810, and only now are the boundary lines causing people an issue.
What is with e46F and Stawmen in the political section? Good Lord.

They aren't discussing splitting the parish, its the splitting of the school district, with a "New City" being incidental to the creation of a new school district.

I am fine with both suggestions, but they have a better argument for an independent school district.
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What is with e46F and Stawmen in the political section? Good Lord.

They aren't discussing splitting the parish, its the splitting of the school district, with a "New City" being incidental to the creation of a new school district.

I am fine with both suggestions, but they have a better argument for an independent school district.
what's with you not being able to comprehend a joke?
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what's with you not being able to comprehend a joke?
This thing called text. Its hard to communicate sarcasm. My apologies.
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But the wealthy have a DUTY to live in shithole areas to help the poor. Don't they?
I never said that, I said it was a catch 22..This whole action of people moving away from poor only in turn creates more poverty which creates the vicious cycle.

When it comes to education, the Libertarian concept of simply leaving the poor behind, is simply dumb and lazy. The end result is even more uneducated derelicts and crime than before that bleed even closer to those who moved. A society cannot escape or ignore the poor.


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When it comes to education, the Libertarian concept of simply leaving the poor behind, is simply dumb and lazy. The end result is even more uneducated derelicts and crime than before that bleed even closer to those who moved. A society cannot escape or ignore the poor.


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