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Old 02-07-2014, 09:30 AM   #21
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Is anyone surprised we still have signatures with christmas hats in February?
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Old 02-07-2014, 09:34 AM   #22
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Is anyone surprised we still have signatures with christmas hats in February?
I'm still surprised that you've never been on an airplane
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Old 02-07-2014, 09:39 AM   #23
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Old 02-07-2014, 09:45 AM   #24
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Are santa hats? I thought we were derailing.....
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Old 02-07-2014, 10:33 AM   #25
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Both sides are shady as crap. If everyone posted up links to the "bad guys" doing something shady, then we'd have 57 new threads a day.
Was it ever proven that ACORN did anything wrong. As far as I know, James O'Keefe is the one that landed in prison for trying to break into a government building. And it was also shown that their videos were heavily edited out of context and falsified to imply wrongdoing where there was none:
ACORN Report Finds No Illegal Conduct


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ACORN employees caught in those undercover videos advising a couple posing as a pimp and a prostitute on how to break the law acted unprofessionally and inappropriately, but did nothing illegal, a report commissioned by ACORN and conducted by an independent investigator has found.

The report, by former Massachusetts Attorney General Scott Harshbarger, recommends nine steps for ACORN to take in order to regain public trust in the wake of the scandal, including that it return to its "core competency - community organizing and citizen engagement empowerment, with related services."
On the key question of potential illegal conduct, it finds:
While some of the advice and counsel given by ACORN employees and volunteers was clearly inappropriate and unprofessional, we did not find a pattern of intentional, illegal conduct by ACORN staff; in fact, there is no evidence that action, illegal or otherwise, was taken by any ACORN employee on behalf of the videographers.
Harshbarger also notes that the videos were sometimes less than perfect representations of the events they depict. He writes:
The videos that have been released appear to have been edited, in some cases substantially, including the insertion of a substitute voiceover for significant portions of Mr. O'Keefe's and Ms. Giles's comments, which makes it difficult to determine the questions to which ACORN employees are responding. A comparison of the publicly available transcripts to the released videos confirms that large portions of the original video have been omitted from the released versions.
In the wake of the scandal, Congress voted to cut off all federal funds from ACORN. In response, the group is suing the US government, arguing that the measure is a bill of attainder, and therefore unconstitutional.
Robert Borosage, of the progressive Campaign for America's Future, responded to the report's findings by declaring that "an organization that has done remarkable work organizing and empowering the poorest Americans was targeted and slurred by a right-wing hit team, then persecuted by legislators who should have known better."
You can read the full report here (pdf).
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I was talking about stuff like this;

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/...82750646102435

But I like the way you pick and choose your links so that they always correspond to points that make your arguments look better, but have no relevance to the topic at hand.
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I was talking about stuff like this;

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/...82750646102435

But I like the way you pick and choose your links so that they always correspond to points that make your arguments look better, but have no relevance to the topic at hand.
WSJ Opinion piece? What's it say? Didn't I already post a link that shows you that investigations have proven ACORN to be not guilty of any wrongdoing?
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WSJ Opinion piece? What's it say? Didn't I already post a link that shows you that investigations have proven ACORN to be not guilty of any wrongdoing?
Nope. I definitely missed the part about Acorn not being guilty of any wrongdoing, ever.

How embarrassing for you -- you didn't even read the article you posted. I'll summarise for you, as you are either too lazy to do your own research and are just hoping for a zinger on an internet forum, or you have reading comprehension problems.

The article you referenced, discussed how, although morally reprehensible, Acorn helping a pimp pimp out underage prostitutes, is not illegal.

My article discussed voter fraud perpetuated by Acorn, which is what we were talking about.

However, if you want to talk about politicians and underage hookers, then there is always Anthony Weiner for the lulz.
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The article you referenced, discussed how, although morally reprehensible, Acorn helping a pimp pimp out underage prostitutes, is not illegal.
The video later turned out to be heavily edited and there's evidence showing that the same workers thought there was something fishy going on and they were just playing along. I believe they even tried to get the girl in private so that they could help her.

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My article discussed voter fraud perpetuated by Acorn, which is what we were talking about.
Which amounted to people signing up "Mickey Mouse" so that they could get paid. It was on an individual level and not on an organizational level. ACORN even pointed the authorities in the right direction and helped with the investigations. And it definitely wasn't "voter fraud". "Voter registration fraud" is more like it.

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Anthony Wiener and underage hookers? News to me. Are we already going to a different topic?
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which amounted to people signing up "mickey mouse" so that they could get paid. It was on an individual level and not on an organizational level. Acorn even pointed the authorities in the right direction and helped with the investigations. And it definitely wasn't "voter fraud". "voter registration fraud" is more like it.
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Individuals. Not ACORN. Jesus Christ, I thought you were a lawyer.
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Individuals. Not ACORN. Jesus Christ, I thought you were a lawyer.
Are you familiar with how an agency relationship or vicarious liability works?
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I am familiar with the fact that the Congressional Research Service report commissioned by the House Judiciary Committee says ACORN hasnít violated any federal regulations, that the defunding of ACORN should be ruled unconstitutional and "that the undercover filmmakers that allegedly caught employees of the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now breaking the law may have violated state law in their filming operation."

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I am familiar with the fact that the Congressional Research Service report commissioned by the House Judiciary Committee says ACORN hasnít violated any federal regulations, that the defunding of ACORN should be ruled unconstitutional and "that the undercover filmmakers that allegedly caught employees of the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now breaking the law may have violated state law in their filming operation."

Ok, so reading comprehension problems it is.

This as well as the CRS' report refers to the video tape of acorn where the lady is talking about helping out underage hookers.

This has *nothing* to do with the voter registration fraud, which occured after they were defunded.
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