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Old 02-07-2014, 08:18 AM   #1
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Florida shelled out more money for drug testing than it saved by denying welfare bene

so much for fiscally conservative, eh republicans?

http://www.politifact.com/georgia/st...-testing-plan/
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Can you say protecting the program for those who actually need it vs making it available to those who would abuse it? I live in Florida, and I'm in favor of protecting the needed program. If allowed to expand to the abusers, the program could outstrip the ability to provide the services to those who are truly and honestly in need.


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Old 02-07-2014, 08:31 AM   #3
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Someones a Fox News watcher!

Spoiler alert: there are people who need this program and they aren't lazy drug users like they want you to believe.


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So you're advocating for zero oversight of programs, gotcha...it'll be cheaper
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Spoiler alert: there are people who need this program and they aren't lazy drug users like they want you to believe.


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Isn't that what they proved by testing? We are all aware some people need these programs, and those that truly need them, should have the right to get them with very little hassle.

I just think if there is a chance they are drug using people looking for a handout, they should be denied. Only way to find that out is testing. Don't want to lose your benefits? Don't do drugs. Until pot is legal in all 50 states, same goes for that. I do however have to question how a person who is getting assistance has the ability to pay for even pot. I would think that is the definition of a bad financial decision.
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Then let them prove it. If you must pass a drug test to earn a living, why not pass one to be given a living?


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Isn't that what they proved by testing? We are all aware some people need these programs, and those that truly need them, should have the right to get them with very little hassle.

I just think if there is a chance they are drug using people looking for a handout, they should be denied. Only way to find that out is testing. Don't want to lose your benefits? Don't do drugs. Until pot is legal in all 50 states, same goes for that. I do however have to question how a person who is getting assistance has the ability to pay for even pot. I would think that is the definition of a bad financial decision.
you know a lot of people use pot as medication for a myriad of illnesses, right?

should they go get oxycontin and become addicted instead?
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So you are for wasting taxpayer dollars to fight a nearly non-existant problem. got it.
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So you're advocating for zero oversight of programs, gotcha...it'll be cheaper
yes, saving your precious tax dollar that you car so much about, win win right?
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you know a lot of people use pot as medication for a myriad of illnesses, right?

should they go get oxycontin and become addicted instead?
Why are those the only options? If your physician prescribes it I'm sure exceptions would be made.


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yes, saving your precious tax dollar that you car so much about, win win right?
That's not the issue. The issue is still personal responsibility.


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ideally 100% of the workforce would be able to work. unfortunately it is not possible, the economy does not have enough jobs thanks to people breeding like rabbits. There are also physically and mentally disabled people who may not be able to work, ever. Should we let them rot in the streets, survival of the fittest? There is no perfect solution currently.
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Unable to work ever? I personally know more than a few disabled people who are gainfully employed. It gives them more satisfaction than sitting and waiting for a check.


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Thank you for once again providing an anecdote to extrapolate that everyone should do something some way.
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Isn't that what they proved by testing? We are all aware some people need these programs, and those that truly need them, should have the right to get them with very little hassle.

I just think if there is a chance they are drug using people looking for a handout, they should be denied. Only way to find that out is testing. Don't want to lose your benefits? Don't do drugs. Until pot is legal in all 50 states, same goes for that. I do however have to question how a person who is getting assistance has the ability to pay for even pot. I would think that is the definition of a bad financial decision.
Of course, this Florida law applies to anyone and everyone obtaining monetary benefits from the state, right? I mean, we wouldn't want some drug-addled state contractor CEO squandering away the millions he receives from the state to perform some important functions and activities. I'm sure Florida isn't singling out just welfare recipients.

That is right, isn't it, or does this law only target people bellow a certain social station?
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Again, I'm talking about people who can't do what society says they should do. Not able bodied persons.
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You're all missing the point. The republican that owns the state-sanctioned testing facilities is making a fortune.
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Again, I'm talking about people who can't do what society says they should do. Not able bodied persons.
Those whom I mentioned are not generally considered able bodied. They are victims of things like extreme birth defects, MS and MD victims. Also victims of severe heart disease and more. We, as humans are able to overcome and excel.


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you know a lot of people use pot as medication for a myriad of illnesses, right?

should they go get oxycontin and become addicted instead?
Sure and anyone with a written prescription for medical mary jane gets a pass. If and only iff they have one. Problem is, I would bet many do not, and still smoke.

No one is suggesting forcing anyone to become an addict. All they are saying is that testing for illegal use prior to receiving benefits seems like a worthwhile cause.

If the cost of testing could be brought down (thanks obama) then we could very well find a way to change abuse in this portion of government spending. I totally see and understand the point, and I support that decision to move forward with it. I think it is hilarious you think it is ok for anyone without a prescription for any substance to abuse it and then abuse the system for a handout.

This goes for everyone. CEOs, contractors, everyone. If a kid can get thrown in prison for pot possession, anyone that tests positive for it while requesting any sort of grant, or government subsidy should have to be held to the same standards.

Maybe Obama can move forward from the ACA and a failed Immigration bill to legalize pot for the country?
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