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Old 02-07-2014, 09:24 AM   #21
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Haven't a lot of these drug testing for public benefits policies been found unconstitutional for violating the 4th amendment?


Where does it stop, by the way? If we're going to do this, why not drug test people who get huge tax refunds? Or other people who benefit from public money?
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Lalalalalalala I can't hear you lalalalalala all welfare recipients are drug addicts and welfare queens lalalalalala
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Old 02-07-2014, 09:27 AM   #23
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Of course, this Florida law applies to anyone and everyone obtaining monetary benefits from the state, right? I mean, we wouldn't want some drug-addled state contractor CEO squandering away the millions he receives from the state to perform some important functions and activities. I'm sure Florida isn't singling out just welfare recipients.

That is right, isn't it, or does this law only target people bellow a certain social station?
No, it should target anyone getting money for one reason or another. If you are going to punish and imprison the little guy, I think the same should be done for the big guy doing the same thing.

It'll never happen though. Thank large payouts, plea bargains and defense attorneys. The problems we have in this country are so multifaceted that no solution will ever be ok with everyone. We try to test for drug use for welfare, libs get pissy. Legalize pot to prevent the expenditure and create tax revenue, pubs get pissy.

I personally think if you choose to use, you choose to opt out of the government programs. Period. No help for you, end of story. Regardless if it is legal or not. On the lower scale of things, if you can afford the habit, you can afford food. You made a choice, full stomach or high.

As for corruption at the top end of things, you will never do away with it, and it comes from everywhere. Actually enforce the laws we have, and we can help fix some of the problem, especially government grants to contractors and other businesses by drug testing. Kill two birds with one stone. But as you know, it'll never happen.
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Haven't a lot of these drug testing for public benefits policies been found unconstitutional for violating the 4th amendment?


Where does it stop, by the way? If we're going to do this, why not drug test people who get huge tax refunds? Or other people who benefit from public money?
Really? There is not enough for this post.
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Really? There is not enough for this post.
Try to respond using your words. Is a tax dollar worth more when going to a person on welfare vs. when it's going to a corporation as a subsidy? What's the difference?

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Sure and anyone with a written prescription for medical mary jane gets a pass. If and only iff they have one. Problem is, I would bet many do not, and still smoke.

No one is suggesting forcing anyone to become an addict. All they are saying is that testing for illegal use prior to receiving benefits seems like a worthwhile cause.

If the cost of testing could be brought down (thanks obama) then we could very well find a way to change abuse in this portion of government spending. I totally see and understand the point, and I support that decision to move forward with it. I think it is hilarious you think it is ok for anyone without a prescription for any substance to abuse it and then abuse the system for a handout.

This goes for everyone. CEOs, contractors, everyone. If a kid can get thrown in prison for pot possession, anyone that tests positive for it while requesting any sort of grant, or government subsidy should have to be held to the same standards.

Maybe Obama can move forward from the ACA and a failed Immigration bill to legalize pot for the country?
how about i get to put in my body what i want without the government saying i can or can't?
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You're all missing the point. The republican that owns the state-sanctioned testing facilities is making a fortune.
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how about i get to put in my body what i want without the government saying i can or can't?
Sure, go for it. I honestly don't care. I really hope pot gets legalized everywhere, so pot heads have nothing more to talk about ever.

I just think that in this situation, many here are very hypocritical. What you are basically saying is that you (being a regular citizen with a voice and a vote) can do whatever you want to do to your body, because you are in control. I'll agree that you should have that right. Now, you will criticize another human being for an addiction they had, because they felt is was their right to put whatever they wanted into their bodies. (PSH, Rush Limbaugh, any other celeb with an addiction) what makes this right?

Now, moving on. You pay your taxes, and your local government decides to allocate some of that money to programs to help the underprivileged. These people can't put food on the table, or cannot afford their bills or housing. But they can afford an illegal substance. They can spend the little money they have on pot, while we pay to feed them. How is this line of thinking even remotely "ok" with you?

I don't understand the logic. It is not about smoking pot. Hell, make it coke, or heroine. I really don't care what drug you make it about. It is about the ability to fund a drug habit while receiving aid. If the person was serious about getting the help they needed in order to get out of the whole, why should they be allowed to use anything while getting that help?

Same goes for subsidy recipients. If you are receiving ANYTHING in terms of monetary help from the local, state or federal government to help with a project or specific job, you should be held to a very high degree of scrutiny. D!cking off and pissing away that money should be punishable by jail, especially if it is drug related. I am amazed that no one else thinks this way.
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That is total bull sh!t. This is the kind of corruption on all levels of government that need to be stopped. I hope this prick gets hung and quartered.
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These people can't put food on the table, or cannot afford their bills or housing. But they can afford an illegal substance.
this is simply not happening, that is the whole point of the article in the original post. The drug using child factory welfare queen shooting up drugs paid for by uncle sam is just a made up fantasy to anger people.
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That is total bull sh!t. This is the kind of corruption on all levels of government that need to be stopped. I hope this prick gets hung and quartered.
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this is simply not happening, that is the whole point of the article in the original post. The drug using child factory welfare queen shooting up drugs paid for by uncle sam is just a made up fantasy to anger people.
Sorry, but I disagree. Maybe in this specific instance, but many people in my area are exactly like this. The pay with food stamps, and buy alcohol and weed, complain about not being able to get a job because of testing, and let the tax payers pay the utility subsidies.

It happens more than you think.

In PA, one parent of the two can apply and fill out the forms. If that one parent is not a drug user, they would pass the drug test, and receive subsidies, while the other parent could get baked and watch cartoons. There are loopholes.
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Sorry, but I disagree. Maybe in this specific instance, but many people in my area are exactly like this. The pay with food stamps, and buy alcohol and weed, complain about not being able to get a job because of testing, and let the tax payers pay the utility subsidies.

It happens more than you think.
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I actually had "hanged" written and it looked wrong.
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I actually had "hanged" written and it looked wrong.
English is a pretty stupid language.
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In PA, one parent of the two can apply and fill out the forms. If that one parent is not a drug user, they would pass the drug test, and receive subsidies, while the other parent could get baked and watch cartoons. There are loopholes.

again, any system can be abused. the rate was 2%. and it costs more money to test than it saves.
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That is total bull sh!t. This is the kind of corruption on all levels of government that need to be stopped. I hope this prick gets hung and quartered.
Conservatives are amused.
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again, any system can be abused. the rate was 2%. and it costs more money to test than it saves.
So the solution in your eyes is to stop testing, and essentially pay for food and utilities for people who make terrible choices and decided their drug of choice is more important than food and heat?

Great idea. So what is going to help push these people to creating a better life, and what is stopping me from getting fvcked up and waiting for my food stamps to arrive?
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you know a lot of people use pot as medication for a myriad of illnesses, right?

should they go get oxycontin and become addicted instead?
Certainly! Except they can't get job at an employer who requires drug testing. Hmmm, the comparison and the irony.

Drug testing is not a violation of ones rights because it's voluntary like drug testing at work or being searched at the airport. If it goes to the US Supreme Court, it will win on appeal.


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Conservatives are amused.
I was being serious. I hate this kind of thing, regardless of what side of the aisle they are on. It is a conflict of interest, and he should lose his job and be fined for making money off of this.
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