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Old 02-07-2014, 10:10 AM   #41
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So the solution in your eyes is to stop testing, and essentially pay for food and utilities for people who make terrible choices and decided their drug of choice is more important than food and heat?

Great idea. So what is going to help push these people to creating a better life, and what is stopping me from getting fvcked up and waiting for my food stamps to arrive?
man these people who are mooching off the system have it figured out! they are LIVING. THE. LIFE. I'm surprised most people haven't figured out how life is so good when you don't have to work!

I bet they get 7 steak and lobster dinners a week with their fat gov't check and they have leftover for pot?! wowwww
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Old 02-07-2014, 10:23 AM   #42
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man these people who are mooching off the system have it figured out! they are LIVING. THE. LIFE. I'm surprised most people haven't figured out how life is so good when you don't have to work!

I bet they get 7 steak and lobster dinners a week with their fat gov't check and they have leftover for pot?! wowwww
So, you don't have an answer?
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Old 02-07-2014, 10:28 AM   #43
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Haven't a lot of these drug testing for public benefits policies been found unconstitutional for violating the 4th amendment?

Where does it stop, by the way? If we're going to do this, why not drug test people who get huge tax refunds? Or other people who benefit from public money?


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this is simply not happening, that is the whole point of the article in the original post. The drug using child factory welfare queen shooting up drugs paid for by uncle sam is just a made up fantasy to anger people.
Sorry, but I disagree.
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Maybe in this specific instance, but many people in my area are exactly like this.
Your argument is "Maybe in this state-wide study and economic analysis of the value of drug testing it has been proven that poor people don't use drugs at any higher a rate than other folks, and the cost to prevent them from getting state funds is actually greater than the funds that would be saved, but in my area there are many people... It happens more than you think."

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So the solution in your eyes is to stop testing, and essentially pay for food and utilities for people who make terrible choices and decided their drug of choice is more important than food and heat?

Great idea. So what is going to help push these people to creating a better life, and what is stopping me from getting fvcked up and waiting for my food stamps to arrive?
The solution is to realize that poor people are not automatically "worse people" due to their social or economic status. They're just like the rest of us and don't require special scrutiny. If we were to assume that they use drugs at the same rate as the rest of the population, we'd realize that trying to prevent a small number of people who might use drugs (which might be legal soon anyway) does not justify the cost of doing so. Not very complicated.
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So, you don't have an answer?
I told you it's a non issue (2% tested postivie). This is a fact. You disagree citing anecdotes, not data. There is no point in a further response.

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Haven't a lot of these drug testing for public benefits policies been found unconstitutional for violating the 4th amendment?


Where does it stop, by the way? If we're going to do this, why not drug test people who get huge tax refunds? Or other people who benefit from public money?
The tax refunds (not the earned income tax credit) was their money to begin. What other public money? Social Security retirement? Again, they paid into it and should not be penalized when they withdraw.


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I told you it's a non issue (2% tested postivie). This is a fact. You disagree citing anecdotes, not data. There is no point in a further response.
But WELFARE FRAUD!!!!!!


Why aren't the conservatives amused when poor people commit fraud?
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How about we go the other direction... give them MORE drugs. Let those junkies take themselves out of the tax pool.
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How about we go the other direction... give them MORE drugs. Let those junkies take themselves out of the tax pool.
oh noes the cannabis overdose!
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The tax refunds (not the earned income tax credit) was their money to begin. What other public money? Social Security retirement? Again, they paid into it and should not be penalized when they withdraw.


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When people get more back than what they paid in? That's not their money to begin with.

Corporate subsidy money? Should we start drug testing corporations?
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When people get more back than what they paid in? That's not their money to begin with.
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I think this tends to reveal this requirement more as a sop to current right wing ideology than a pragmatic tool to address a real problem.
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man these people who are mooching off the system have it figured out! they are LIVING. THE. LIFE. I'm surprised most people haven't figured out how life is so good when you don't have to work!

I bet they get 7 steak and lobster dinners a week with their fat gov't check and they have leftover for pot?! wowwww
I'm sure there are many people that would prefer not to work if their basic needs are taken care of. Additionally, you can still work off the books for disposable income.

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I told you it's a non issue (2% tested postivie). This is a fact. You disagree citing anecdotes, not data. There is no point in a further response.
Do you think it is possible that some people ceased using drugs because there was testing and they wanted to keep their benefits?
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It's possible that republican governor Rick Scott thought no one would notice that he transferred his shares of Solantic to his wife immediately before he mounted the charge to pass a welfare drug testing law.
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I'm sure there are many people that would prefer not to work if their basic needs are taken care of. Additionally, you can still work off the books for disposable income.



Do you think it is possible that some people ceased using drugs because there was testing and they wanted to keep their benefits?
It is possible and probable that some ceased drug usage because of the tests. But what number? A handful or 60% of reciepants? How about 80? Does the known amount or the desired amount (based on stereotypes about usage and actual test outcomes) justify the program politically and/or economically?
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I live in Central Florida and I'm in favor of the testing. If I must take a drug test to earn a living and pay my taxes, then you should have to pass a drug test to take away part of what I have earned. Personally, I don't give a damn if it costs tons more than it saves, as long as I'm not being forced to provide for those who choose to live a lifestyle that includes illegal drug use.


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You'd rather pay for welfare drug testing AND welfare?
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You'd rather pay for welfare drug testing AND welfare?
Yes I would. If testing ferrets out one person who is using the payments to buy and use drugs, then IMO it's worth the cost.


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That is ridicilous.
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That is ridicilous.
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