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Old 02-09-2014, 07:06 PM   #61
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When I was trying to save money several years ago, I kept the AC off most of the summer. A few days it got up to 95 degrees in my house, it felt ''cooler' outside in 100 degree heat than it did inside. When I got home, my cat would run outside in the 100 degree heat and sit in the shade. It was that miserable.

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Just got a visual of a kitty cat making a beeline out of the door.
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Old 02-09-2014, 08:19 PM   #62
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There isn't much to learn for my major.
Then why bother? Apparently you're just wasting your time in college, because you know, you're soooo way ahead of your peers and have nothing to learn.

Why don't you just drop out and save your parents the tuition money?

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Old 02-09-2014, 08:38 PM   #63
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btw lair, when they cut food stamps they aslo cut aid to big farmers.
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the bill expands federal crop insurance and ends direct government payments

by nedra pickler, associated press, 02-08-14

east lansing, mich. president barack obama on friday signed into law an agriculture spending bill that will spread benefits to farmers in every region of the country, while trimming the food stamp program that inspired a two-year battle over the legislation.

As he penned his name on the five year measure at michigan state university, obama said the wide-ranging bill "multitasks" by helping boost jobs, innovation, research and conservation. "it's like a swiss army knife," he joked.

But not everyone is happy with the legislation and obama acknowledged its passage was "a very challenging piece of business."

the bill expands federal crop insurance and ends direct government payments that go to farmers whether they produce anything or not. but the bulk of its nearly $100 billion per year cost is for the food stamp program that aids 1 in 7 americans.


The bill finally passed with support from democratic and republican lawmakers from farming states, but the bipartisan spirit didn't extend to the signing ceremony where obama was flanked by farm equipment, hay bales and democratic lawmakers. White house press secretary jay carney said several republicans were invited, but all declined to attend.

Conservatives remain unhappy with the bill and its generous new subsidies for interests ranging from southern peanut growers and midwest corn farmers to the northeast maple syrup industry.
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Old 02-09-2014, 09:10 PM   #64
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Then why bother? Apparently you're just wasting your time in college, because you know, you're soooo way ahead of your peers and have nothing to learn.

Why don't you just drop out and save your parents the tuition money?
We aren't going back into this topic.
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We aren't going back into this topic.
why not?

Are you too cool for school?
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Old 02-09-2014, 09:15 PM   #66
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just like you won't listen to anyone's advice on here?
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What advice? Stop being a free thinker? Many have tried.
Oh so you're a free thinker? That's funny. Here I thought you were regurgitating other people's ideas and claiming them as your own, rather, "you've had these ideas all along"






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Oh no! Some of my ideas overlap others! How could this happen in a world of 7 billion other ideas?!
I highly doubt you had these ideas a priori

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In economic terms, if you are not a contributing member of society (which includes minimum wage workers, landscapers, lettuce pickers, etc) then technically, as far as the country is concerned, yes, you (the general you) are useless.
How has Marshy contributed to society?

And no, marshmallow shooters are not a "must have" for society.

if anything, he makes people's head hurt with his yap. That would make him useless - unless you're into that sort of thing.




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I'm probably the most conservative person on this forum. Mainly due to my age and life experiences. As we age, our views tend to skew more toward the right of center. There are notable exceptions, but that's how it generally works.

As to the discussion on food assistance, food stamps, WIC etc., I think that making these programs work using a card with monetary value was a mistake. What would have worked toward the intended outcome would have been could have been a system to identify the user with a card that would deduct a percentage of their food purchases and the merchant receiving reimbursement for the reduced charges.

I have absolutely no problem with giving assistance to those who have a real need. Example would be recipients in areas with high unemployment opportunities. This could be mitigated by tying the benefits to the unemployment agencies. Those needing the benefit would be required to actually make application to prospective employers at a set number of applications per week, and provide proof of the applications made. In short, if one is unwilling to actively look for a job, then no assistance provided.

If the recipients are physically or mentally unable to work, or to seek employment then this requirement would be waived until their situation changes. Yes, there could still be those who would attempt to beat the system.

I do have a problem with generational Welfare. There must be a system put in place to break this cycle of abuse. If it becomes difficult to access these services then perhaps the prospect of a better life would cause them to change.

I don't claim to have all the answers, but it is painfully obvious that the current system is not working as intended. In my part of the country, unemployment is fairly high. This is mainly due to the stoppage of building that happened in 2009. On the other side of the coin, there are several employers who constantly try to hire new employees, but are unable to fill their needs due to the applicants inability to pass a drug test.

Life choices can be hard, but then again life is hard. It's harder if one is stupid.


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I have absolutely no problem with giving assistance to those who have a real need. Example would be recipients in areas with high unemployment opportunities. This could be mitigated by tying the benefits to the unemployment agencies. Those needing the benefit would be required to actually make application to prospective employers at a set number of applications per week, and provide proof of the applications made. In short, if one is unwilling to actively look for a job, then no assistance provided.
That's how unemployment assistance already works in Florida. Finding five new jobs to apply for every week is not very easy.

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I do have a problem with generational Welfare. There must be a system put in place to break this cycle of abuse. If it becomes difficult to access these services then perhaps the prospect of a better life would cause them to change.
Interesting that you call it "abuse". You aren't advocating a prospect of a better life as a motivator, but that of a worse life.

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I'm probably the most conservative person on this forum. Mainly due to my age and life experiences. As we age, our views tend to skew more toward the right of center. There are notable exceptions, but that's how it generally works.
You've already made some claims on here about how things have gotten worse and the government is taking more than ever, etc, and you pretty much had no choice but to become more conservative, but you never elaborated on that or backed up any of your claims.

I'll try again:

Can we clarify some things?

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I've been paying taxes since before most here were born, and the conditions are becoming worse and worse. Obviously what the give away programs are attempting are not working. All that has been accomplished is to form a class of people who are willing to exist while doing nothing to improve the future for their offspring, giving rise to generational welfare.

Me, I'm going to be 70 in July.
Things are not getting worse:



Poverty has been declining. During times when employment is available, people work. So that means they are not inherently lazy or waiting for handouts. When work is available, people work. And programs help when work is not available. As for taxes, I hope no one minds me posting this again, since this page got overtaken by bickering about who's racist and who's not rather than addressing the facts.




The growth in spending during the War on Poverty is quite dramatic, as one would expect, but then it levels out. Even during the Reagan years there don't seem to be any real cuts. None of this screams out any kind of oppressive money-grabbing regime change in recent years as some would have us think.


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How else can one see it? I do my best to help, but still the Government wants more. At what point do we draw the line?
Historically speaking, is the federal government asking noticeably more now than at any other point during the time you've been paying taxes?





Are we doing bad compared to other countries? Not quite.



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We've been over this multiple times and I've posted this link every time.

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfa....cfm?Docid=456
Indeed, you do.

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All these "historically..." statements are kinda bs since we all know when the marginal rate was crazy high like 90% no one actually paid 90%. I don't make anywhere near 250k and my taxes did not go down with Obama.
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All of the data in that link is based upon average rates, not the bracket.
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Then show me the analysis from Heritage. I would love to see it.

Here's another look at the various quintiles. Yes, it's only through 2009, but there's often a lag in reporting, as I'm sure you would expect.

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfa....cfm?Docid=456


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However, for those who do pay Federal income tax that is not the case and Federal revenue as a percentage of GDP is not at or near record lows.

Swallow less, think more.
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tax rates =/= how much you pay in taxes


I'm sure you knew that, because you usually so informed

http://almostclassical.blogspot.com/...rate-myth.html
http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfa....cfm?Docid=456

But I'm sure you knew that, since we've had this discussion enough times.
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your argument is also faulty because you are a su Ming that the federal income tax is the only text bernard people haveyou are leaving out school taxes gas taxes sales taxes property taxes and capital gains taxes most of which are at historic Highs
Capital gains are not anywhere near historic highs even WITH the increase to 20% and the 3.8% surtax.

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfa....cfm?Docid=161


All of the rest are state/city/municipality based taxes so they have no basis in a federal discussion. In any event, you are the one who brought up the above article about 90% tax rates, so try to keep on the same topic.

Oh, and on top of that, the average state and local tax burden is lower now (9.9%) than it was in 1977 (10.3%).

http://taxfoundation.org/article/sta...year-1977-2010
What exactly is getting worse? The government doesn't appear to be taking any more (it appears it's taking less) of your money than before.

WHAT IS THE PROBLEM?!
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That's funny. When I was in my early 20s I was conservative. As I got older, was overseas, and furthered my education, I became more pragmatic and my views become more moderate and center.




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There is more than one.
How about you address the one you used as an example, namely the taxes being higher?
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I was the same. I look back and laugh when I realize how wrong I was.
Well at least I don't have an online record of my views at that age that I can look back at and say WTF unlike someone we know....

hint: he's puffy and white.




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