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Old 02-10-2014, 08:22 AM   #81
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Same here. That old "If you aren't an old conservative, you have no brain!" bumper sticker is just another giant load of republican horseshit.
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How about you address the one you used as an example, namely the taxes being higher?
Maybe yours is not, but perhaps mine is. How about those of us who are being taxed on money that we have already paid taxes on? Want to address that one?


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Maybe yours is not, but perhaps mine is.
Are you making the same and getting taxed a higher percentage?

Are you making more (i.e. you're in a higher bracket) and the same bracket would have been taxed less any time in the last 30 years?

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How about those of us who are being taxed on money that we have already paid taxes on? Want to address that one?
If you address my questions above, sure. Which recent changes are we talking about?
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Old 02-10-2014, 08:39 AM   #84
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Are you making the same and getting taxed a higher percentage?

Are you making more (i.e. you're in a higher bracket) and the same bracket would have been taxed less any time in the last 30 years?


If you address my questions above, sure. Which recent changes are we talking about?
Perhaps they are not recent, but the fact that I'm being taxed again on the income that I had already paid taxes on does not change. What does your line of questioning have to do with food stamps?


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Perhaps they are not recent, but the fact that I'm being taxed again on the income that I had already paid taxes on does not change.
OK, so since when has this been in effect?

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What does your line of questioning have to do with food stamps?
Not much other than the fact that you're complaining about your taxes going to such things and that you never answered my questions to one of your biggest issues, namely this "worsening" of taxation.

You said it got worse for you.

Are you making the same as before but getting taxed a higher percentage?

Are you making more (i.e. you're in a higher bracket) and the same bracket would have been taxed less any time in the last 30 years?
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Are you making the same and getting taxed a higher percentage?

Are you making more (i.e. you're in a higher bracket) and the same bracket would have been taxed less any time in the last 30 years?


If you address my questions above, sure. Which recent changes are we talking about?
busa, how about you address the fact that the crushing debt we have run up is in fact a tax - one that doesn't show up in any of your charts. The federal government has limited ways to pay for stuff - taxation, printing more money or borrowing. All three have the same end result on the tax-paying populace - they reduce the value of their financial resources. So yeah, since we have a historically high amount of debt, then we also have a historically high level of taxation.

But you keep hanging on to your simplistic view of this topic, since it fits your closed mind. But just know that you are being fooled by your federal government because you don't understand this simple reality.
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busa, how about you address the fact that the crushing debt we have run up is in fact a tax - one that doesn't show up in any of your charts. The federal government has limited ways to pay for stuff - taxation, printing more money or borrowing. All three have the same end result on the tax-paying populace - they reduce the value of their financial resources. So yeah, since we have a historically high amount of debt, then we also have a historically high level of taxation.

But you keep hanging on to your simplistic view of this topic, since it fits your closed mind. But just know that you are being fooled by your federal government because you don't understand this simple reality.
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What is it that you're referring to, exactly? Having to pay capital gains?
Partly, but not all. What about paying sales tax, property tax, taxes on your estate upon your death? The list goes on and on. Again, what does it have to do with food stamps?


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Non sequitur
Yeah, right. You constantly post up about how taxes are not higher. I point out something you clearly have never considered - that there is a tax that you aren't including in any of your posts - which completely debunks your position. You declare "non sequitur." Unless that Latin phrase has an alternative meaning such as "you're right, I am wrong, please excuse my ignorance and thank you for enlightening me," your post is the only non sequitur in here.
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Sales tax is voluntary, as far as I'm concerned and it's also on the local level. Sales tax helps support the tax base of wherever you live.

The estate tax only applies to people who have more than $5,340,000 (or double that for married individuals), so that's around 2% of the population. On top of that there are dozens of ways to minimize or get rid of that liability with careful planning.
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Sales tax is voluntary, as far as I'm concerned and it's also on the local level. Sales tax helps support the tax base of wherever you live.

The estate tax only applies to people who have more than $5,340,000 (or double that for married individuals), so that's around 2% of the population. On top of that there are dozens of ways to minimize or get rid of that liability with careful planning.
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Partly, but not all. What about paying sales tax, property tax, taxes on your estate upon your death? The list goes on and on.
evolved addressed your post mostly.

Since when are you paying all these taxes? How have federal tax rates changed during your lifetime and over recent decades?

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Again, what does it have to do with food stamps?
Why do you keep getting back to that? Are you, at your ripe age and wisdom, unable to defend a few simple statements?
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Ummm, that is/was the topic of the original post. Why the thread jacking ?


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Ummm, that is/was the topic of the original post. Why the thread jacking ?
Fine. Continue here: http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthr...4#post15994814

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Continue here? By the way, since you are willing to go so far afield, exactly how much of your after tax income do you give to charity? How many families do you actively assist within your community? Do you tithe to your church community? Do you mentor any at-risk children? I know, that has no bearing on the topic, but I'd love to hear your answers to this. I'm sure others would as well.


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I was actually asking Busa, but you are welcome to jump in.


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