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Old 02-17-2014, 09:12 AM   #1
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I know we have varying members from all walks of life and even LEOs on here

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Old 02-17-2014, 11:00 AM   #2
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As a middle eastern mad that is a "naturalized" citizen I will not share my opinion on this.


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Skimmed a bunch of parts.....so, the gist seems to be the Hutaree w/o the god angle?

Also, as a person who is not a resident of CT and not at all familiar with their gun laws, is that state fairly restrictive?
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Also, as a person who is not a resident of CT and not at all familiar with their gun laws, is that state fairly restrictive?
Nah its not too bad. The barcode tattoo only stings for a little while. And the majority of commonly used firearms are now defined and banned as assault weapons including a ruger 10/22 or a P22 with a threaded barrel, any rifle under 30" long, fixed mags over 10 rounds, or any non delcared mag over 10 is illegal. There is too much wrong with these laws to even begin here. It is disgusting and embarrassing. I am doing everything I can to awakin voters and donate to CCDL.


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Nah its not too bad. The barcode tattoo only stings for a little while. And the majority of commonly used firearms are now defined and banned as assault weapons including a ruger 10/22 or a P22 with a threaded barrel, any rifle under 30" long, fixed mags over 10 rounds, or any non delcared mag over 10 is illegal. There is too much wrong with these laws to even begin here. It is disgusting and embarrassing. I am doing everything I can to awakin voters and donate to CCDL.


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Wow, seriously?


We have none of these issues in MO. I can understand the outrage, but the author of the site in the OP seems to be toeing a line of outright threats to people who disagree/oppose him.
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Any time someone brings up Waco, TX and talks about it being government tyranny, they lose all credibility. Seems like everyone with that platform forgets that a shitload of little girls were sexually assaulted on a regular basis with the approval of their own parents.

What was funny about the Hutaree is that the Michigan Militia came out and publicly said "we are not with these guys, we don't condone or support anything they do".
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First link mentions civil war. Cant take seriously. America is not at risk of civil war. First, rebellions are expensive and require a rather large financial commitment. I imagine most would be weekend rebels returning home early on Sunday to prepare for the office on Monday. Second, civil is costly in terms of life. Most of these people arent ready to carry their dead kids to a shallow grave--realities of war. Plus the standard of living is rather high and quite comfortable. Very few are willing to surrender today's luxuries.
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I have one gun, a Ruger 10/22 with a 30 round magazine (plus the original 10 round), so I'm probably not looked upon as a "gun owner" by gun owners (but I surely am by non-gun-owners). That being said, here are my thoughts:

I have no need or desire to own a hand gun or assault rifle, or any high powered rifle. I will, however defend your right to own such a weapon (or firearm, if you prefer).

If I owned a gun for my personal protection, I would not register it with the government. I also would not obtain a concealed carry permit.

If and when the time comes that we must bear arms against an invasive force (or our own country, for that matter), I have no doubt that I will be able to obtain a weapon and ammuntion in very short order. And, if that were to happen, I most certainly do not want my name on some "list" that is in our government's possession.
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I read the whole letter...interesting. The registration law is obviously BS, and the massive disobedience in that regard may spark confiscation, which this letter talks about...for the cops to think long and hard before trying to enforce this order (if given.) It is a quasi-threat based on a what if scenario...the "you are not the enemy, not yet" implies that if the politicians order the rifles to be confiscated, the officers will be responsibly for carrying out an unlawful order, and that they should think long and hard if they want to risk their own blood to carry out said order...he also says (after going over the numbers that CT law enforcement is GROSSLY outnumbered and outgunned) that the 3% "WILL.SHOOT.YOU."

After reading it all, I can't say I disagree. The allegiance of a law enforcement officer is to the people and the constitution, not to the politicians, so if an order is given (by a politician through legislation) to them to carry out something unconstitutional, they should indeed protest and not carry out the order, otherwise, they themselves become part of the tyranny and are "fair game" in defense.
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I read the whole letter...interesting. The registration law is obviously BS, and the massive disobedience in that regard may spark confiscation, which this letter talks about...for the cops to think long and hard before trying to enforce this order (if given.) It is a quasi-threat based on a what if scenario...the "you are not the enemy, not yet" implies that if the politicians order the rifles to be confiscated, the officers will be responsibly for carrying out an unlawful order, and that they should think long and hard if they want to risk their own blood to carry out said order...he also says (after going over the numbers that CT law enforcement is GROSSLY outnumbered and outgunned) that the 3% "WILL.SHOOT.YOU."

After reading it all, I can't say I disagree. The allegiance of a law enforcement officer is to the people and the constitution, not to the politicians, so if an order is given (by a politician through legislation) to them to carry out something unconstitutional, they should indeed protest and not carry out the order, otherwise, they themselves become part of the tyranny and are "fair game" in defense.
Who makes this determination of contitutionality? If the law is passed, challenged, and upheld, will these guys submit, or are they still going to shoot the people enforcing the law?

A civil war requires quite a bit of sympathy. These guys start shooting cops wholesale, they're going to lose the sympathy of all but the most extreme wingnuts. The papers will read about a crime wave of extremists, not patriots fighting for freedom.
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Who makes this determination of contitutionality? If the law is passed, challenged, and upheld, will these guys submit, or are they still going to shoot the people enforcing the law?

A civil war requires quite a bit of sympathy. These guys start shooting cops wholesale, they're going to lose the sympathy of all but the most extreme wingnuts. The papers will read about a crime wave of extremists, not patriots fighting for freedom.
Well they are hoping that most cops will side with the citizens and not "shoot their fellow man" over some BS some politician came up with. Cops have families too, and the 3% group is hoping the cops say "I didn't sign up for this."
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Well they are hoping that most cops will side with the citizens and not "shoot their fellow man" over some BS some politician came up with. Cops have families too, and the 3% group is hoping the cops say "I didn't sign up for this."
They're hoping that the strong job market will encourage police to quit their jobs over some rednecks that don't want to follow the law?

Good luck. Cops have families, too. They also have mortgages.

Our unemployment rate is nowhere near high enough to foster revolution.
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They're hoping that the strong job market will encourage police to quit their jobs over some rednecks that don't want to follow the law?

Good luck. Cops have families, too. They also have mortgages.

Our unemployment rate is nowhere near high enough to foster revolution.
This. America has no factors which make it ripe for civil war.
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They're hoping that the strong job market will encourage police to quit their jobs over some rednecks that don't want to follow the law?

Good luck. Cops have families, too. They also have mortgages.

Our unemployment rate is nowhere near high enough to foster revolution.
No department will lay off half their force willy nilly. If a good portion of the sworn officers refuse to carry out an order, the rest with think long and hard, and those asking for the order to be carried out will also think long and hard. Like you said, cops have families, kids, wives, etc. Most are good people and agreed to a calculated risk...but not for a high risk assignment. At the end of the day, they want to go home to their family, not try and confiscate 6 AR-15s from a legal gun owner that may or may not shoot at them. Also, I'm not sure what you are talking about when you say revolution. This is a CT specific problem. CT passed a law requiring owners of "assault weapons" to register them. If they do not, they are guilty of a class D felony. As a result, people become felons overnight. Almost no one went through with it, and there has been a HUGE civil disobedience in regards to this law. Now, the politicians have to decide what to do. If they do nothing, then gun laws in CT won't be taken seriously. If they do something, they will EITHER have to confiscate the firearms from those that did not register them (up to 350,000 people in some estimates), and/or start arresting people, trying them, and sticking them into prisons. Both of which will require force from the police, hence the warning....that if they try, they will be met with resistance. Do they have the stones to carry out their potential cop killing promise? Who knows.
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This. America has no factors which make it ripe for civil war.
Well technically, it would be the people vs the government, not so much as one side vs the other.
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No department will lay off half their force willy nilly. If a good portion of the sworn officers refuse to carry out an order, the rest with think long and hard, and those asking for the order to be carried out will also think long and hard. Like you said, cops have families, kids, wives, etc. Most are good people and agreed to a calculated risk...but not for a high risk assignment. At the end of the day, they want to go home to their family, not try and confiscate 6 AR-15s from a legal gun owner that may or may not shoot at them. Also, I'm not sure what you are talking about when you say revolution. This is a CT specific problem. CT passed a law requiring owners of "assault weapons" to register them. If they do not, they are guilty of a class D felony. As a result, people become felons overnight. Almost no one went through with it, and there has been a HUGE civil disobedience in regards to this law. Now, the politicians have to decide what to do. If they do nothing, then gun laws in CT won't be taken seriously. If they do something, they will EITHER have to confiscate the firearms from those that did not register them (up to 350,000 people in some estimates), and/or start arresting people, trying them, and sticking them into prisons. Both of which will require force from the police, hence the warning....that if they try, they will be met with resistance. Do they have the stones to carry out their potential cop killing promise? Who knows.
That sounds like a group trying to foment revolution and civil war. The laws are already not being taken seriously.

If they don't like the law, they have a legal framework to challenge it through. Threatening the police (yes, that's what those letters are, despite what they claim to not be. Saying these words are not red does not magically make those words turn blue) abandons the "moral high ground" that they're seeking to preserve by not shooting first.

If they want to preserve and maintain the moral high ground, they should be challenging this law through the courts. Come out of the woods, come out of your bunker, and get to work. This country is not ready for civil war based on second amendment rights.
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That sounds like a group trying to foment revolution and civil war. The laws are already not being taken seriously.

If they don't like the law, they have a legal framework to challenge it through. Threatening the police (yes, that's what those letters are, despite what they claim to not be. Saying these words are not red does not magically make those words turn blue) abandons the "moral high ground" that they're seeking to preserve by not shooting first.

If they want to preserve and maintain the moral high ground, they should be challenging this law through the courts. Come out of the woods, come out of your bunker, and get to work. This country is not ready for civil war based on second amendment rights.
Well, all it takes it someone to start it, and most don't want to be the guinea pig. It will snowball after that. The court system is flawed because the USSC throws out almost all 2nd amendment cases, but that is the world we live in. If your slogan is going to be "from my cold dead hands" you better prepare to put your money where your mouth is. Furthermore, to challenge the law you need a lot of money, and the main part...you must still comply with the law as it stands today. Obviously it was meant to be a threat, since that is what gathers attention. They are hoping to hit the cops directly and really make them think twice, and possibly speak out on their behalf (that the law is unconstitutional) just like the Colorado sheriffs.
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Well technically, it would be the people vs the government, not so much as one side vs the other.
either way, there are nowhere near enough factors to start a civil war/uprising/revolution/etc.

What do you think the government is? Some huge faceless machine with metallic tentacles and laser eyes? The government is made up of the people. It would be civil war. It would be one side against another. More likely, here, it would be several different sides against each other. There is no unified "front" here to rally behind (look at the "occupy whatever" movements. If you think some sort of right side movement would be any different, you're delusional), and there's no charismatic "opposition leadership" to provide that front. There are no issues currently large enough and contentious enough to provide a large base of support so opposed to another base as to start violent opposition.

The second amendment will not spark civil war. At most, a few isolationists with no jobs or families to worry about will take themselves way too seriously and move into a "freedom compound" where they'll poop in buckets and eat preserved food for a little while, until they realize that rabbit starvation is setting in, and they'll come out. Maybe they'll try to go down in some kind of blaze of glory, but most likely they'll be hungry and weak.

The rest of the 3%ers will have to go to work on monday, so they won't be able to move into the freedom compound, they'll realize after a week or so it was a stupid idea, and they'll continue to hoard their unregistered firearms in their basement, shoot them out on a buddy's farm, and everything will go on as normal.
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Well technically, it would be the people vs the government, not so much as one side vs the other.
Care to elaborate? I don't understand the "technically" part.
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