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Old 03-01-2014, 10:08 AM   #1
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We have an xi anv vert subforum, why inst there a touring subforum?

Everything on a touring is different than a coupe, sedan, XI, M3 and vert, so doesn't it make sense that there should be a touring subforum?

Trying to do a M3 LSD swap into my car, but I cant find out what I need to swap. I am having a hard time even finding a company that makes poly bushings for the touring. Anyone?
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Old 03-01-2014, 10:09 AM   #2
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Prolly because it's too rare but really, what's so different about the car other than cosmetic stuff?

The Xi gets a forum because it's got different exhaust, different drivetrain, different suspension etc
The vert gets its own forum because it has different bracing, headrest rollbars, the top is full of crazy extra oddities
The M3 gets its own forum because well M3

But there's not a separate forum for coupe and sedan even though none of the cosmetic stuff is interchangeable - because the cars aren't different mechanically - and neither is the touring.

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Prolly because it's too rare but really, what's so different about the car other than cosmetic stuff?

The Xi gets a forum because it's got different exhaust, different drivetrain, different suspension etc
The vert gets its own forum because it has different bracing, headrest rollbars, the top is full of crazy extra oddities
The M3 gets its own forum because well M3

But there's not a separate forum for coupe and sedan even though none of the cosmetic stuff is interchangeable - because the cars aren't different mechanically - and neither is the touring.
Ummm..... check your facts before you post totally inaccurate info.....

Tourings are VERY mechanically different. Different mount/bushing sizes, different suspension. The car even has different brakes....

The touring is "more different" in comparison to a sedan/coupe than a vert.
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Well then I stand corrected.
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Ummm..... check your facts before you post totally inaccurate info.....

Tourings are VERY mechanically different. Different mount/bushing sizes, different suspension. The car even has different brakes....

The touring is "more different" in comparison to a sedan/coupe than a vert.
Brakes are the same as any other 325/328 according to RealOEM. Front and rear suspension look about the same (maybe the shocks themselves are different, but so what?). I'm not seeing how they're "very" mechanically different. There seems to be more in common with a 325iT and 325i than a 325i and 330.

And let's say there was a touring subforum. Should we split it even farther into xi and non-xi like the main cars? There just isn't enough of a user base to justify anything like that
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Brakes are the same as any other 325/328 according to RealOEM. Front and rear suspension look about the same (maybe the shocks themselves are different, but so what?). I'm not seeing how they're "very" mechanically different. There seems to be more in common with a 325iT and 325i than a 325i and 330.

And let's say there was a touring subforum. Should we split it even farther into xi and non-xi like the main cars? There just isn't enough of a user base to justify anything like that
Brakes are different... Everything is built differently to compensate for extra weight and bias. Own one and then you'll know..
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Old 03-01-2014, 12:43 PM   #8
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Front shocks are shared with the convertible
Rear shocks are shared with the non-vert
Front and rear calipers are the same as a 323i/325i/328i
Front and rear rotors are the same as a 325i/328i
Front and rear sway bars are the same as the non-M
Front subframe is the same as every E46
Rear subframe is the same as every non-M E46
Trailing arm and bushing is the same as the non-M counterparts
Control arms are same as the non-Ms
Control arm bushings are the same as the non-M
Subframe bushings are the same as the non-M
Front shock mounts are the same
Rear shock mounts are the same

You can lookup the parts yourself.

So again, what exactly is different? The touring doesn't even weigh that much more than the sedan/coupe (<200 lbs or so)
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Old 03-01-2014, 12:55 PM   #9
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The Touring does have some differences from the other cars, but IMO there aren't enough owners and enough touring specific parts/issues/topics to warrant its own section
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Old 03-01-2014, 01:03 PM   #10
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Screw that! We want a touring section! How hard can it be to create, add a sub directory? And who cares if it's active or not... give the touring owners a place of their own.
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Once we split the forum and make it 'separate but equal' you'll soon find your touring forum is a black cave because no one will go there.
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Maybe the 17 touring owners (or is it 18 now?) will go there and start random touring specific threads just to avoid egg-on-face syndrome
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Old 03-01-2014, 01:16 PM   #13
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"Part numbers for rear hatch and bumper"

I've just completed the Touring sub-forum.
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Old 03-01-2014, 01:31 PM   #14
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You left out a few

- "how can I remove the f!@%$@# rear speakers in the hatch"

- "does anyone have a dove grey cargo cover for sale? my dog ate mine"

- "can I fit a full size spare in place of the donut in my touring"

- "help...my rear wiper is stuck!"

- "where do I fill the rear window washer fluid"
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at #2, so true.
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lol #2 is true. I really am looking for a dove grey cargo cover, but I don't want to pay $800 for a new one. the others I have seen posted here in the past.
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Front shocks are shared with the convertible
Rear shocks are shared with the non-vert
Front and rear calipers are the same as a 323i/325i/328i
Front and rear rotors are the same as a 325i/328i
Front and rear sway bars are the same as the non-M
Front subframe is the same as every E46
Rear subframe is the same as every non-M E46
Trailing arm and bushing is the same as the non-M counterparts
Control arms are same as the non-Ms
Control arm bushings are the same as the non-M
Subframe bushings are the same as the non-M
Front shock mounts are the same
Rear shock mounts are the same

You can lookup the parts yourself.

So again, what exactly is different? The touring doesn't even weigh that much more than the sedan/coupe (<200 lbs or so)
dude...so you searched to find out what parts cross reference to other models... great. I can list the thousands of parts that are different. The diff is different..
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dude...so you searched to find out what parts cross reference to other models... great. I can list the thousands of parts that are different. The diff is different..
So what? I know sheet metal will obviously be different, as will interior bits and things like that. But lift the body and you've got pretty much the same cars. The only differences are things that change within a body style itself (330i has a different diff from a 325i for example, and autos vs manuals also have different diffs). I was listing only important suspension and brake pieces (since you singled out suspension and brakes as being unique on the touring... when they're not).

What problems do tourings have that sedans/coupes don't, and what aspects of the touring would make repair procedures substantially different? Xis and to a lesser extent convertibles have enough unique issues and procedural changes to justify their own subforum. Tourings don't

And with regards to your subframe bushing question -- there aren't touring specific bushings. Just use M3 or poly bushings there if you're going to use the M3 rear end
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What problems do tourings have that sedans/coupes don't
The list may be very short (too short for a sub-forum IMO), but let's not pretend they don't exist.
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well.. I was just saying because Xis and Verts get a subforum....If you don't want to say a touring is "more different" then I would say you have to admit they are "AS different"
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