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Old 03-30-2014, 08:01 AM   #21
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here is the best place in sydney: they dont specialise in oil changes on x5's either.

https://www.facebook.com/BrintechCustoms

speak to Lawrence, he is a close personal friend whom we help each other on our own builds, and all round good bloke.

he will give the correct advice and wont rip you either.

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Old 03-30-2014, 06:29 PM   #22
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Its a car worthy of the investment imho. You genuinely need to be an enthusiast though. I've had mine 4 years now. Aside from the SF, which BMW coughed up for, its not had an issue.

Get yourself a good mechanic, one that actually likes the car and you will be well on your way to possibly one of the best vehicular ownership journeys of your life. Mine literally makes me smile every day. My mechanic is located in Marrickville, he actually owns an E46 M3 and is a great guy to boot.

Oh and mine is an SMG. (insert rolling eyes emoticon here). It takes a little while to get accustomed too but once you do, you wont want to go back to a stick manual imho. I love it.
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Old 03-30-2014, 07:45 PM   #23
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I highly suggest manual stick NOT smg. Smg is a peice of **** ,anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool.
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Also SMG = rubbish!
**** shift quality,terrible clutch slip points,smg pumps usually are the first things to go in them all the way up to 2nd gear synchronous haha and i wonder why that is?
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Do not listen to this utter BS!

Sure there are bad examples and they are usually ones that have not been maintained or have been abused. If you drive around town shifting at 3K while in S5 or S6 then sure the "shift quality" will be shite. Have it in S3/S4 and feather the accelerator just like you do in a stick and its nothing but smooth. There are GOOD examples of these awesome cars with SMG and no subframe issues, Rare but they DO exist. I happen to own one!
If you take the time to understand that the SMG is actually a manual gearbox and how it operates you learn to get the best out of it. Mine has NO clutch slip and shifts beautifully, it shifts quicker than any person with a stick can, mine also happens to rev match on downshifts. Nothing to hate about it really.
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Old 03-31-2014, 07:33 AM   #24
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re the box, there are various places in europe which supply parts. toyota unlike bmw also supply all the internal v160 components, most of which are the same, others different which can be modified to work. additionally there are 10+ companies in australia whome can make custom gears ratios and synchros at good rates. so its best we dont spread myths, your not american after all.
Links to where you can buy the parts from Europe or names of shops so I can find out. Very interested to know.

Also, please give me a statement from an official BMW source stating that every single E46 M3 will be affected by a subframe mount failure. Or I suggest you track down every single VIN of the E46 M3s in Australia and find out if they have all been affected by this issue.

As soon as my subframe mount fails and the floor collapses (if it doesn happen), I will let you know.

You can't make statements without backing it up, unless of course you are privy to some information that we all don't know about.
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Old 03-31-2014, 08:22 AM   #25
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Links to where you can buy the parts from Europe or names of shops so I can find out. Very interested to know.

Also, please give me a statement from an official BMW source stating that every single E46 M3 will be affected by a subframe mount failure. Or I suggest you track down every single VIN of the E46 M3s in Australia and find out if they have all been affected by this issue.

As soon as my subframe mount fails and the floor collapses (if it doesn happen), I will let you know.

You can't make statements without backing it up, unless of course you are privy to some information that we all don't know about.
i have said enough, unlike some im not here to measure ego or cOck size, some of us dont need to. if i am adamant about something its from experience not hearsay or something i read somewhere.

ive helped plenty of members and will continue to help where experience and time allows on builds which which some could only dream about. people conducting such work know exactly where to get help from.
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Old 03-31-2014, 02:43 PM   #26
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Old 03-31-2014, 04:32 PM   #27
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Many topics on SMG vs stick. I suggest you drive both and make up your mind. I drive 2 stick shift cars and 2 SMGs. Absolutely love SMG and after two years and 10k miles, I have zero issues. It isn't an automatic though (thank god) so i drive it in manual mode. Many people that don't like SMG is probably expecting an automatic smoothness. I put the car in Neutral at red lights. I think some people leave it in 1st gear and perhaps that's why they have issues. Car now has 108k miles.

Other typical issues with M3 include
Front control arm bushing (FCAB)
Rear trailing arm bushing (RTAB) - look for worn rear tires on inside edges
subframe crack (coupe only)
HVAC issues (no heat/AC, temp not regulated, no air one one side of car)
Electrical issues with door lock, power window

I haven't had issues with VANOs but i would inspect car for fluid leaks around oil filter, and under the engine bay.

As said, a BMW specialist will likely find these issues during PPI. You can detect some of the issues yourself if you are experienced and hands on.

Many M3 are molested with worn seats, cracked front bumpers and peeling interior paint. You can weed out those yourself.
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Old 03-31-2014, 07:22 PM   #28
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I test drove a SMG yesterday. Punting around town, shifts were either slow or jerky, and had a delay like shifting an automatic car through L, 2 , D.
That could just be me not being used to SMG though.
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Old 03-31-2014, 07:29 PM   #29
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what shift mode was is in S1,2,3,4. If there are clunks or feels like its lose it could be things like tail shaft coupling (aka guibo), transmission mounts, Too much play in the shaft etc. Really need to know the condition and history of the car to paint the picture..
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Old 03-31-2014, 07:33 PM   #30
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Definitely felt fine, as it didnt feel loose, but there was just a delay in shifting as low speed. I wanted to get a handle on how SMG works.
To be honest it felt quite boring. but I don't want to discount that yet.

The other issue I had, was that I reached the speed limit too soon. By the time you really have a hang of the car, you have hit 100. The M3 drives and feels completely differently to a Turbo Japanese car, (albeit one with stiff suspension, loud exhaust etc). The suspension is more than adequate in stock and travelling at 100 feels like travelling at 60.

Car was in poor condition. Wouldn't touch it.

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Old 03-31-2014, 07:44 PM   #31
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Good that the car was in poor condition. The only way then is up. :-)

Suspect the usual suspects caused your 'meh' moment vis the SMG. Upping the shift speed to S5 helps as does feathering the throttle, just, during shifts. Unless I'm punting mine you'd never even guess I was shifting. It can be smooth, fast and quiet or defcon 3, just depends on your mood.
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Also depends what you were shifting at. With low speeds you really don't want to shift below 2,500 and the smoothest shifts are closer to 3,000rpm. If you shift really early you'll notice the shifts are a bit slow and clunky. SMG does take some time to master, it would probably help if someone who has driven an SMG for some time took you for a drive to show you how smooth it can be.
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Old 03-31-2014, 10:49 PM   #33
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Gents,

Like Hazey suggests once one learns how to drive an smg it becomes a whole new experience, this sure as sh!t aint something which can be achieved through a short test drive. In fact if the ordinary punter was to drive an smg for the first time without previous experience, they probably wouldn't have much positive to say about it. It would only get better over time.

The old smg v stick can go on forever and a day, without a full out dispute some things to note,

1. of course a fully functional smg shifts quicker. how much quicker ? make up your own mind.

2. smg launch or not, the MT with the right driver is without question quicker to the mark. Driver being the operative word.

3. there is allot more to smg than 0-100 times, they really shine around some decent track work. No MT can match them for speed and precision of shift. You might consider the csl as an example, never offered in MT and perhaps more considered for track work.

4. obviously smg adds some critical parts, pump, robotic arm, gear recon sensor and various other bits and pieces. Just like any other parts have a service life. The issue most will face is that they are expensive. A pump for example running at circa ~3-4k plus labour and being beyond most diy's might be considered a little pricey for some. ive seen pumps last 200k and 20k. ive also seen a few robotic arms suffer from internal leaks. I have also helped 3 people all which had pumps changed and were misdiagnosed for gear recon sensors, i wont give any names.

5. In my opinion whilst i certainly wouldnt say an smg is not a drivers car (any fkn M driven the right way is a drivers car), an MT is a completely different experience.

6. The only other real consideration is that smg by principal it must be said is an old technology which has been around for a long time. BMW's mid/late 90's and some Alphas even earlier. Granted the system has evolved over time with the gradual improvements in the 2 and 3 but none the less shares the same operating principles. Its a technology which more than likely will never be seen again, and definitely the case in bmw's. Also owning an e90 DCT, that's where the technology is at.

All things considered (and provided your not building a dedicated track unit) and in my subjective opinion, whilst smg naturally has a place, the obvious choice would be the MT. If one must have a smg equivalent maybe consider throwing a few extra bucks and try a e90/2 dct, but then you gain a few extra cylinders and lose a little bit of a smile (just a bit)

If any smg owners are considering an MT swap, i can help with all aspects from mechanical to reprogramming, drop me a line. What most people don't realise is that whilst you have a working smg system you can actually diy switch to MT and make a small profit, rather than a significant cost.

Good luck and happy to help anyone who needs it and aint a mad wa%ker

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First time I drove an smg 2, i was in 2 minds. The first time I drove an smg 3, I just wanted one. If it was an easy swap into a non m. I'd definitely consider it


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Old 04-01-2014, 12:01 AM   #35
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i've done s85 e30 and starting e34, both running MT GS6-53BZ and stock dme's.

SMG3 would be highly interesting and i think surely possible, albeit allot more involved than the MT. s85 DCT would be something else, but i think almost impossible, trust me ive dreampt about it, lol.

So how about it, s85 smg3 e46, judging by your track history you just might give it a crack. Im keen if you are
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i've done s85 e30 and starting e34, both running MT GS6-53BZ and stock dme's.

SMG3 would be highly interesting and i think surely possible, albeit allot more involved than the MT. s85 DCT would be something else, but i think almost impossible, trust me ive dreampt about it, lol.

So how about it, s85 smg3 e46, judging by your track history you just might give it a crack. Im keen if you are
Every second post your offering your services, you wouldn't by any chance work for brintech? Just curious because I need some coding done on a GS30, does this help come with a price tag attached? Experience with GS30?
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Old 04-01-2014, 12:55 AM   #37
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Every second post your offering your services, you wouldn't by any chance work for brintech? Just curious because I need some coding done on a GS30, does this help come with a price tag attached? Experience with GS30?
As already mentioned, Lawrence @ brintech is a personal friend whom has helped me on some builds and i have helped him on others.

Like this e30 m54b30 running odb2 and ews possibly the only one in the country. EWS is an issue for most people running stock ms43. The same cannot be said for the m3's mss54 ews which is easily disabled and well documented already.



When you build a car which shouldn't exist you quickly come to realise that any help would be welcomed, particularly in this country where little to none is available.

I'm nothing more than a hobbyist who's built himself some cars in my available time and might know a thing or two from that experience. Where time permits advice is free and why not among such a small community.

Ive no idea what a gs30 is (lexus i assume) nor have i any experience with it at all. The closest ive come to a lexus is helping put in the soarer 4.0 v8 (1uz i think) in an e30. Very nice motor and straight forward swap.

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Bugger, it's the module for the GS6S53BZ BMW gearbox, need it remapped. Sorry for the thread jack, but all this talk of SMG's
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Bugger, it's the module for the GS6S53BZ BMW gearbox, need it remapped. Sorry for the thread jack, but all this talk of SMG's
What do you want coded? If you just want to flash the latest version, i can help you, in fact you can comfortable do it yourself. Pm me what u want and details. Car, 5-6 ? Software version, which equipment u have etc.

If you need direct remapping, ive not done it nor would it be an easy diy task. Perhaps there is an off the shelf tune for it, evolve or something similar, rev matching etc etc?

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