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Old 04-07-2014, 12:10 AM   #1
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Old 04-07-2014, 12:22 AM   #2
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Old 04-07-2014, 09:05 AM   #3
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That car belongs to member Smolck.
Looks like it's in amazing shape for the mileage.

You need to research prices in your area.
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Old 04-07-2014, 09:12 AM   #4
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Here is his website where he documents a lot of the work he has done:

http://smolckbmw.blogspot.com/

A lot of it will come down to how much premium a buyer places on it being a ZHP over a ZSP 330i and whether or not said buyer can be comfortable buying a car with over 200k miles on it.
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Old 04-07-2014, 09:59 AM   #5
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If that really is Smolck's car then yeah, it's worth $8,500. But don't think the next '04 ZHP you find is gonna be worth that much and don't think for a second that you'll ever get $8,500 for it if you resell it. Once that car is out of the caring hands of a true BMW fanatic, the price goes down dramatically.
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Old 04-07-2014, 04:12 PM   #6
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If that really is Smolck's car then yeah, it's worth $8,500. But don't think the next '04 ZHP you find is gonna be worth that much and don't think for a second that you'll ever get $8,500 for it if you resell it. Once that car is out of the caring hands of a true BMW fanatic, the price goes down dramatically.

What makes the car worth $8500 in one persons hands but not in another? There isn't an e46 on the planet worth that much money with 200k on it. I can appreciate what work has gone into the car but it comes to a point where its only worth so much, regardless of what has been done to it.


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Old 04-07-2014, 09:00 PM   #7
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In my book, the most I'm willing to pay for that car is $6500. a 04 with 210K+ miles? All those records mean smuck if the owner drives the crap out of it. Any car with over 200K+ miles will have its wear and tear, interior and chassis.
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Old 04-07-2014, 10:08 PM   #8
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we agreed on 7,200$ if all checks out tomorrow during inspection at a bmw specialist shop.



it will need 2 new back tires within the next 3 month. clutch is estimated to die not so far in the future and the last time it had a cooling system overhaul was like 80k miles ago.



i drove it, it shifts great, drove nice and sounded sweet. interior is 8/10 and exterior 7/10 in my opinion. theres a light dent on back right fender and again on front left(driver side) fender. they are light and nothing ugly but if i stand 3 feet away i can tell its bent a bit.



the gentleman selling it is a mechanic for bmw vines and offered to service it himself if it ever needed something that i cannot handle myself for way less than what a dealer charges. he told me he can do the cooling system overhaul for 150$ in parts and 150$ in labor. i do NOT plan to sell the car anytime soon till i can afford an M3, which is not within the next 4-5 years. mileage doesnt worry me at all since he took care of the car. i dont expect the engine to die anytime soon.



so he wants 7,300. perhaps i can discuss pricing more with him after inspection too.

Think about what you are doing here. You aren't getting a fully maintained ZHP with 200k. You are getting a car that is in need of everything that it was at 100k. Also what kind of cooling system overhaul is he doing for $150 in parts? So you end up paying $7200 plus tax and title fees, so you're at around $8000 before you get going on anything. Add a new clutch, 4 tires (you always should replace all 4 at the same time), all the bushings in the suspension are shot again, the struts and shocks are degraded, and you are going to start running into the other typical items that wear out (disa, fuel pump, CCV, valve cover gasket, ofhg, etc, etc). So when its all said and done you have a 200k mile car that is worth $4000 to the general public (if you're lucky and find someone that knows what a ZHP is and doesn't care about miles), and you will end up having at least between $11k and $13k in it.

You can do what you want but You are making an extremely bad decision by spending that much just to say you have a ZHP. In the end its just a car and after a couple months of driving the "new" feeling will wear off and you will want something else anyway. I've been in the car business for almost 20 years now and I've seen lots of people make lots of bad decisions and this is up there in terms of a really bad way to spend your hard earned money. If you really want to buy an M3 you will get it faster by just getting yourself some transportation or driving what you have now and saving that money you have to put towards it. Besides isn't that what you really want?




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Old 04-07-2014, 10:59 PM   #9
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Think about what you are doing here. You aren't getting a fully maintained ZHP with 200k. You are getting a car that is in need of everything that it was at 100k. Also what kind of cooling system overhaul is he doing for $150 in parts? So you end up paying $7200 plus tax and title fees, so you're at around $8000 before you get going on anything. Add a new clutch, 4 tires (you always should replace all 4 at the same time), all the bushings in the suspension are shot again, the struts and shocks are degraded, and you are going to start running into the other typical items that wear out (disa, fuel pump, CCV, valve cover gasket, ofhg, etc, etc). So when its all said and done you have a 200k mile car that is worth $4000 to the general public (if you're lucky and find someone that knows what a ZHP is and doesn't care about miles), and you will end up having at least between $11k and $13k in it.

You can do what you want but You are making an extremely bad decision by spending that much just to say you have a ZHP. In the end its just a car and after a couple months of driving the "new" feeling will wear off and you will want something else anyway. I've been in the car business for almost 20 years now and I've seen lots of people make lots of bad decisions and this is up there in terms of a really bad way to spend your hard earned money. If you really want to buy an M3 you will get it faster by just getting yourself some transportation or driving what you have now and saving that money you have to put towards it. Besides isn't that what you really want?




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Slow down Mango Jr. He said it just had new Koni's replaced, DISA serviced, new ZHP control arms, bushings, fuel pump, etc...

Did you even read the post? or Did you just go straight to flaming mode with your "20 yrs of experience" ?


OP: If the car checks out, do it. If he is promising you stuff after sale, get it in writing. GL
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Old 04-07-2014, 11:06 PM   #10
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Slow down Mango Jr. He said it just had new Koni's replaced, DISA serviced, new ZHP control arms, bushings, fuel pump, etc...

Did you even read the post? or Did you just go straight to flaming mode with your "20 yrs of experience" ?


OP: If the car checks out, do it. If he is promising you stuff after sale, get it in writing. GL
Actually, I agree with Mango Jr. You can replace all those suspension parts, disa, fuel pump, etc but a chassis with over 200K+ miles is a worn down chassis and that means more problems will be on the way.
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What makes the car worth $8500 in one persons hands but not in another?
When one has been thoroughly maintained with logs of proof - it immediately commands a higher price. If you don't think so, good luck with all the jalopies you buy in the future.
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Old 04-08-2014, 06:53 AM   #12
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Slow down Mango Jr. He said it just had new Koni's replaced, DISA serviced, new ZHP control arms, bushings, fuel pump, etc...



Did you even read the post? or Did you just go straight to flaming mode with your "20 yrs of experience" ?





OP: If the car checks out, do it. If he is promising you stuff after sale, get it in writing. GL

I read the post. My point was that it's going to need these items replaced during the new owners time with the car, not necessarily right away, and when it's all said and done he's got a car that is worth next to nothing to 99% of the car buyers out there. If he was spending $2500 to $3000 like most other 200k e46s sell for then that would be one thing, but as I stated above there comes a point in a car owners time with a vehicle that it's only worth so much regardless of what they spend keeping it on the road. On any used e46 there are going to be things that pop up and especially on a 200k mile chassis so my point was that this new buyer will at some point have $11k to $13k in this car.


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I read the post. My point was that it's going to need these items replaced during the new owners time with the car, not necessarily right away, and when it's all said and done he's got a car that is worth next to nothing to 99% of the car buyers out there. If he was spending $2500 to $3000 like most other 200k e46s sell for then that would be one thing, but as I stated above there comes a point in a car owners time with a vehicle that it's only worth so much regardless of what they spend keeping it on the road. On any used e46 there are going to be things that pop up and especially on a 200k mile chassis so my point was that this new buyer will at some point have $11k to $13k in this car.


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wouldn't an owner have to keep up with these parts anyway, even if it was 100,000 miles? I can understand your point if the frame rails were rusting out or gas tank was falling but I don't think this is the case. You say at some point he'll have 11k to 13k in the car, don't we all???? I've put 11k in my car in the last 6months...165,xx miles and going strong. (Knock on wood)
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Old 04-08-2014, 08:38 AM   #14
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so what it has 200k miles ?

it doesnt mean much to me, should it ?

you guys think i should stop and find a zhp somewhere else ?
You should at least check out a few other cars, don't limit yourself to ZHPs, that way you have more choices.
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wouldn't an owner have to keep up with these parts anyway, even if it was 100,000 miles? I can understand your point if the frame rails were rusting out or gas tank was falling but I don't think this is the case. You say at some point he'll have 11k to 13k in the car, don't we all???? I've put 11k in my car in the last 6months...165,xx miles and going strong. (Knock on wood)

There is a huge difference between 100k and 200k. At 200k you are getting into the possibility of having to replace items that are more complex than just your regular e46 wear and tear stuff.


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I agree, I think that's too much to pay for the car if it has that many miles. Yes, it's a ZHP (ooooooooohhhhh!!!) but it's not really worth that price. If it didn't have that ZHP package, you'd be insane to pay more than maybe $5k for it. I got a really well maintained 325i with 180k miles for $4k. There's no way a ZHP with slightly more mileage is worth another $3200. You could literally buy a second E46 for that.
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Old 04-08-2014, 09:48 AM   #17
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I got a really well maintained 325i with 180k miles for $4k. There's no way a ZHP with slightly more mileage is worth another $3200. You could literally buy a second E46 for that.
That's a nice buy, but we are talking about two different cars here. Similar mileage and similar maintenance history considered, I don't think paying $3K for the extra 50 hp from the factory is that unreasonable.
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That's a nice buy, but we are talking about two different cars here. Similar mileage and similar maintenance history considered, I don't think paying $3K for the extra 50 hp from the factory is that unreasonable.
Good point. At the end of the day, this is all completely subjective.

Personally, I consider it relative to the price of the car. I found some 330s when I was looking for around $5000, so let's use that for the sake of argument since we're debating the merit of the ZHP package, not 325i vs. 330i.

A 330i was factory-rated at 230 bhp, a 330i ZHP was factory-rated at 235 bhp, so a 2% increase over a 330i. If he pays $7200 for that car, he's paying an additional 64% over the cost of a similar mileage 330i. Granted, you're paying for the maintenance records and the condition of the car itself, but it's a very slight increase for a huge jump in price. Especially when you compare both cars to the true top-of-the-E46-line M3, they're both far short from "fast."

This is completely up to OP, we're not making his decision for him. Personally, I really really wanted a ZHP until I sat down and looked at what you're really getting. At 200k miles, you're going to have a lot of maintenance costs. If I had $7200 to spend on an E46, I'd look for a 330i with the lowest possible miles in a color combination I liked. You can easily make up the difference between a ZHP and a non-ZHP with mods and come out ahead.

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Old 04-08-2014, 10:31 AM   #19
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Just for a moment, forget that it is a ZHP and forget who owns it.

This car is a 210k mile, 10 year old 330i sedan that according to the seller, needs 2 back tires, a cooling system overhaul and a new clutch. Many of the other parts are described with the terms "recently" and "relatively new." One man's "recently" can easily be another man's "long time ago." Plus anyone who has ever dealt with used cars knows there are inevitable surprises looming ahead. So is this 330i the best a buyer can do for $7200 or can they do better for similar money (purchase price plus repair costs)?

I'm a firm believer that you cannot assess the value of a used car unless you actually put your hands on it and see for yourself. Since I haven't done so, I can't really offer an opinion as to whether or not this particular car is worth the asking price.
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thanks for the input everyone!

the buyer is in complete car sales section if anyone wants to watch a drama clown.

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