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Old 06-10-2014, 01:28 PM   #21
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Da Silvano in the Village, or Bar Pitti next door. Weather should be nice, so you can opt to sit outside.

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Old 06-10-2014, 04:27 PM   #22
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I don't mean to belittle your argument, but the fact is NYC runs on volume to pay those bills. Yes they are more expensive than most places, but the fact is the overhead gets paid by the huge population of people, and faster service.

^ dat ***** beat me, you know why? NY has faster service, proving my point.
LOL @ a NY restaurant doing 10x the volume of a downtown restaurant in another city.

I'm sure there are huge variances in customers/hr across the industry and around the country. But if 2 restaurants seat 750 people a night for dinner, and one of them has a $10,000/month rent space and the other has a $3,000/month rent space, which do you think is going to have higher prices?
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Old 06-10-2014, 04:32 PM   #23
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LOL @ a NY restaurant doing 10x the volume of a downtown restaurant in another city.

I'm sure there are huge variances in customers/hr across the industry and around the country. But if 2 restaurants seat 750 people a night for dinner, and one of them has a $10,000/month rent space and the other has a $3,000/month rent space, which do you think is going to have higher prices?
Get some real figures and then we'll talk. You're pulling numbers out of the air.
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Old 06-10-2014, 04:45 PM   #24
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Price is inflated because rent is inflated. No restaurateur in Manhattan could afford to stay in business if they charge the same price for the same item as the store in the middle of nowhere. Especially with the price of commodities in the food industry increasing outrageously, the price will always be higher in Manhattan.

Volume items like your cup of joe would not be too inflated because your chances of customers are greatly increased by the amount of foot traffic.

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Get some real figures and then we'll talk. You're pulling numbers out of the air.
Was that your response to 217Bimmer's claim?
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Dont waste your money on high end sh!t. It's a waste. Enjoy the good NY food....get the cheap stuff from all nationalities. Lombardis or Keste for higher end pizza, grab some street slices, get some street meat from the carts, some noodles at a noodle bar, etc. Stay away from high priced restaurants, you WILL leave disappointed.
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LOL @ a NY restaurant doing 10x the volume of a downtown restaurant in another city.

I'm sure there are huge variances in customers/hr across the industry and around the country. But if 2 restaurants seat 750 people a night for dinner, and one of them has a $10,000/month rent space and the other has a $3,000/month rent space, which do you think is going to have higher prices?
Watch the soup nazi episode of seinfeld.
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Old 06-11-2014, 10:39 AM   #28
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Dont waste your money on high end sh!t. It's a waste. Enjoy the good NY food....get the cheap stuff from all nationalities. Lombardis or Keste for higher end pizza, grab some street slices, get some street meat from the carts, some noodles at a noodle bar, etc. Stay away from high priced restaurants, you WILL leave disappointed.
I guess this is where we disagree. I don't feel it as wasting money unless you're there only for the food. When I go to Per Se or EMP, I am there for the experience, to be entertained by an internationally renowned restaurant. I am there to exhibit a chef's work and be treated exceptionally. That is why it's called culinary art. The chef is the artist and you are purchasing their artwork to admire. It would be no different than purchasing an artwork just because "it looks good." It's the appreciation for the training and creativity that you're paying for. I'm sure you know what I'm speaking in regards to, since we both are in the same industry.

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Dont waste your money on high end sh!t. It's a waste. Enjoy the good NY food....get the cheap stuff from all nationalities. Lombardis or Keste for higher end pizza, grab some street slices, get some street meat from the carts, some noodles at a noodle bar, etc. Stay away from high priced restaurants, you WILL leave disappointed.
Unless it's sushi, based on my experience, high end sushi places typically is worth it's weight in gold.

So, just to give you guys some resolution, I decided on Otto. Going to fat cats after wards to round out the evening with cocktails and billards/shuffle puck.

Maybe get some physical activity afterwards Jk, don't want to ruin it by putting the cart before the horse.

Thanks again everyone.

Out of curiosity, NFRS, what are your thoughts on Otto?
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Unless it's sushi, based on my experience, high end sushi places typically is worth it's weight in gold.

So, just to give you guys some resolution, I decided on Otto. Going to fat cats after wards to round out the evening with cocktails and billards/shuffle puck.

Maybe get some physical activity afterwards Jk, don't want to ruin it by putting the cart before the horse.

Thanks again everyone.

Out of curiosity, NFRS, what are your thoughts on Otto?
Not in my experience. And don't be beetch, get it in.
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If you want a good Neapolitan pizza check out Don Antonios on W 50th st. Good stuff.
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I guess this is where we disagree. I don't feel it as wasting money unless you're there only for the food. When I go to Per Se or EMP, I am there for the experience, to be entertained by an internationally renowned restaurant. I am there to exhibit a chef's work and be treated exceptionally. That is why it's called culinary art. The chef is the artist and you are purchasing their artwork to admire. It would be no different than purchasing an artwork just because "it looks good." It's the appreciation for the training and creativity that you're paying for. I'm sure you know what I'm speaking in regards to, since we both are in the same industry.
The vibe is stuffy. The crowd is stuffy. The chefs haven't been there (cooked) in ages. IMHO, as a tourist, I don't usually visit the high end stuff. Not because I can't afford it, but because I get a better taste of the local stuff. Im more of the diner's drive-ins and dives guy...local joints that make awesome food...and this is coming from a guy that used to eat at Nobu on a tuesday and that hung out with Eric Ripert and Scott Brian on a weekly basis. High end restaurants are available all over the world....from NY to LA to Miami, etc. The local joints IMHO is where it's at.

I will agree with you that these restaurants have a time and a place (anniversary or whatever) but a fun evening out? Not for me.
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Unless it's sushi, based on my experience, high end sushi places typically is worth it's weight in gold.

So, just to give you guys some resolution, I decided on Otto. Going to fat cats after wards to round out the evening with cocktails and billards/shuffle puck.

Maybe get some physical activity afterwards Jk, don't want to ruin it by putting the cart before the horse.

Thanks again everyone.

Out of curiosity, NFRS, what are your thoughts on Otto?
Sushi is a bit tricky...the quality of fish does NOT reflect in the price. I've eaten at Yasuda a number of times, and at Masa once (someone else's dime of course ) and my go to place for my sushi fix is still yama. Huge hunks of super fresh sushi (they own their own fish market and supply a lot of the higher end places with their fish) at VERY VERY VERY reasonable prices. Blue ribbon is pretty good as well. Unfortunately, I have never eaten at Otto, so I can't comment on it.
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Sushi is a bit tricky...the quality of fish does NOT reflect in the price. I've eaten at Yasuda a number of times, and at Masa once (someone else's dime of course ) and my go to place for my sushi fix is still yama. Huge hunks of super fresh sushi (they own their own fish market and supply a lot of the higher end places with their fish) at VERY VERY VERY reasonable prices. Blue ribbon is pretty good as well. Unfortunately, I have never eaten at Otto, so I can't comment on it.
You seem to know all of the value priced restaurants with the most bang for the buck.

I will definitely try Yama, photos looks amazing.
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Man, this is why I hate nyc. I can tell that dinner is costing you $250.
you can get a hot call girl for the price of diner ...lol

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I eat at the gramercy location.
http://www.zagat.com/r/yama-new-york1

Careful though...unless you eat there at 5pm (right when they open) expect to wait, and wait a while. Also, it is a very intimate squeeze. The place is small, and you are going there for the food, NOT for the ambiance. If you want a "romantic" or low key dinner, this isn't the place.

Colicchio and son's has good food as well (much more pricy.) The meatball shop is a cool late night joint...

http://themeatballshop.com/

Make sure you eat at a good Halal cart...have some beer in you, they taste even better.

Blue Ribbon (not Blue Ribbon Sushi, although it's next door) is a great place to eat a really late dinner (1am+). After midnight, their menu is designed for chefs that get off work, so you'll see escargot, fried chicken, etc...random stuff that chefs love to eat.

If you are in the area, grab a pie at Lombardi's and eat it outside. Don't waste your time waiting the 2 hours to sit down. Keste is great high end pizza if you want a nicer ambience. Then there's the staple locations like Katz's deli, 2nd ave deli, etc....if you want the jewish deli pastrami/corned beef stuff. A dirty water dog to me is often just as satisfying as a 7 course dinner at Le Bernadin.
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